Bronze Dragons are supposed to be the keepers of time, but I’m having a hard time understanding why sometimes they seem to exist outside of time, and other times they do not.
Eternus for example, is a bronze dragon turned infinite, who then sides with the bronze dragonflight and works with them yet remains an infinite dragon.
This would suggest that there’s only one version of Eternus that exists. Her bronze dragon version isn’t out there somewhere. When she came back to the bronze flight she’s still infinite. They didn’t go retrieve her bronze self, they could only work with the version of her that exists in the true timeline.
So why does Chromie not follow the same rules? Why can Chromie go into other times and see herself? Is that not a paradox? How can Morchie exist when Chromie exists, and how can they even interact with one another?
If this was the case, there’d be infinite versions of every bronze dragon and infinite dragon because they’d be existing within time, not outside of it. Eternus (the one sided with the Bronze flight) would exist alongside her bronze version.
Even Nozdormu does not accompany us to the moment he becomes Morizond, suggesting that there cannot be 2 of him in any given moment. Which would mean bronze dragons exist outside of time.
How can Morchie and Chromie exist at the same time, yet no other bronze dragons have this issue? I’m confused and the more I think about it the more I think the whole time travel thing is just a mess.
Do you know of a way to reverse the transformation into an infinite?
Who said that?
Perhaps the Infinites are purging timelines (as they do).
Because that is the job of the Bronze Dragonflight: to protect the one true timeline. Grabbing people from other timelines for help goes against that mission.
Because she’s going to other timelines but never staying, instead of pulling them into this one and keeping them here; those are two VERY different things.
Warcraft timelines don’t operate on movie rules.
Because they are from different timelines, and practically different people because of it. Thrall has an alternate timeline version of himself walking around Orgrimmar.
Yes; you never see it in-game because - again - the Bronze Dragonflight isn’t pulling them from their respective timelines and putting them into ours because - AGAIN - that goes against their mission to protect the one true timeline.
Yes.
Fearing Murozond will corrupt him, not because of what you believe.
AGAIN, Warcraft does not follow movie logic.
You already asked this question, so reread my answer above.
They do.
Either you are over-complicating a basic set of rules, want to shoehorn movie rules into the Warcraft universe, or are just lost when it comes to time travel in general.
Has it been a bit since you did the quests? They do explain it;
There are basically an endless amount of ‘yous’ that exist.
We actually meet like 8 versions of Chromie and talk together.
Bronze and Infinite are but two of the options people can be - yes Eternus might have had two of the same type of Dragonflight forms, her corrupted Bronze form and her infinite form. This is fine they have different stories.
Nozdormu is the Titan chosen Dragon Aspect. Him knowing the future probably means he doesn’t want the consequences of what will happen to him if he meets his corrupted self.
It is very likely this will be explored further too in the coming expansion with Ikridion remaining a constant threat.
Good question. Morchie is the only one that comes from a different timeline - one where Murozond and the infinites took over Azeroth. The other bronze dragons and infinites we know can come from other times, but Morchie comes from another place.
As Meadows has already noted, there’s little point in stressing about the writer’s mishandling of time travel theory. The developers themselves have admitted that the story will always take a backseat to gameplay. A logical plotline is of secondary importance to them; they have retconned every aspect of lore more than once.
It’s odd that you take such umbrage to Ritualist’s attempts to reason out Blizzard’s inconsistent time travel ‘logic’ by comparing them to ‘movie rules’, when they are very much akin. The bronze flight’s ability to transit back and forward through time on a whim is hardly different from Hollywood’s take on relativistic travel.
I think Morchie exists along the line of accepting that the Infinites and their original timeline has since fallen apart, We know that Moruzond created the infinites in a timeline where he was corrupted, but was destined to fall, so the Infinites seek to distort the true timeline of Azeroth in an effort to recreate their leader, I believe that the Infinite Dragon flight have lost so many of their members that they are expending all their temporal powers to keep certain assets in key timelines, Chromie is arguably the greatest agent of the Bronze Dragons so incorporating an agent like Morchie served the purpose of keeping Chromie busy and unable to see the ultimate plan that Iridikron and the Infinites devised.
Mind you, I’d argue there’s different kinds of Infinite Dragons.
Those that willingly joined the Infinite Dragonflight in the true timeline. Such an example could be Eternus.
Those who are from alternate timelines, such as Morchie – One who has become Infinite in a future where Murozond came into being, rules the timeways & most likely took many Bronze Dragons into the Infinite flight under his wing.
Bronze Dragons from the past who were shown by an Infinite Dragon of their demise, and offered them a chance of salvation through the ritual to become Infinite (However, I’d argue there’s a chance for that to fail and is thus rare).
And lastly, you could also potentially have alternate-universe Infinite Dragons who united with our own, hoping to break the seals placed upon the universe of the Great Dark Beyond (Perhaps by the Titans / First Ones etc) and making the traversing of the multiverse more easy — Ultimately allowing the Infinite Dragons to choose the timeline / universe that suits them with ease.
The above would explain why Aman’Thul charged Nozdormu with safeguarding the timeways …Especially if the Infinites are not the only ones who seek to breach the multiverse
idk but the name is just so damn bad i cant even take it serious lmao once again someone from twitter who got hired into blizz is using their pet names into the game lol
I never let myself think too deeply about time travel. No matter how clever the writer thinks they are, there are ALWAYS inconsistencies and oversights, and there is no evidence whatsoever that we can ever actually time travel in any way resembling fictional depictions, so it’s basically untestable magic anyway.
Most beings have no connection to their alternate selves so see any alternate timeline as a completely separate twin. However bronze (and infinite) dragons, able to shift between timelines, have a stronger awareness of and connection to their alternate selves. Thus their entire sense of “self” is more of an algamation of their alternate selves influencing each other. Fully distinct alternate identities with their own agendas can happen, but it’s a bit jarring.
Read up on the Infinite Rick theory. There are only so many ricks that created portal travel fluid.
I think that the “Central Finite Curve” is the explanation for this. I’ve imagined it being that the number of universes are infinite, but they tend to cluster. It’s like with a phone number where you have a local exchange, an area code, and a country code.
The Ricks that we are seeing are only from the local cluster of universes.
You know, I don’t think the Bronze have as much to do with TIME as they say. I think alternate realities is more their thing. Sure, they can do timey-whimy nonsense, but they especially deal, especially in Dragonflight, with alternate dimensions of reality. They call them different timelines, but I don’t think that’s accurate. Same with the Primalist alternate future.
It’s the multiverse with a Time flavored twist, basically. So essentially anything goes from a writing standpoint. Morchie, the Infinites, Murozond, all make much greater sense from that perspective, at least to me.
The above would explain why Aman’Thul charged Nozdormu with safeguarding the timeways … Especially if the Infinites are not the only ones who seek to breach the multiverse 