MOP Warlock

Fovos-shadowmoon · February 3, 2021, 9:44pm

Wow I completely forgot just how awesome mop was until I went and looked into the talents and stuff. Now I am truly depressed about Shadow Lands…

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/415-affliction-warlock-mists-of-pandaria-rotation-changes-talents-and-glyphs-patch-504/

Sneddy-skullcrusher · February 4, 2021, 5:20am

MoP demonology was some of the most fun I had playing the game. Demo has been a pathetic husk of it’s former iteration since then. Sad!

Syrilx-dalaran · February 4, 2021, 5:50am

I remember trying it back in WoD and the abilities were incredibly fun. Wish I played during MoP.

Helmarolyn-dalaran · February 4, 2021, 9:18am

That was also the year the classic Talent system was destroyed.

Pepino-frostmourne · February 4, 2021, 11:49am

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again, MoP Warlock was the only time I struggled to play… because I had to fight with myself to figure which spec to play that day as I loved them all, they all felt so great… Demonology eventually took over as it was the most fun I ever had.

Fovos-shadowmoon · February 4, 2021, 2:25pm

Its sad, the class went from being so fun, and having amazing abilities to being a glass cannon, and the funny thing is they are alleging this is the unpruned version because we got curses back… Thanks for nothing

Natixsphere-bleeding-hollow · February 4, 2021, 2:40pm

You guys remember back in wotlk and cata when casters had those OP trinkets? What was the one called that randomly shot shadowbolts at the entire enemy team? We were Gods back than! So much qq happened that blizzard destroyed our class.

Staalinn-tichondrius · February 4, 2021, 3:23pm

If i could get mop destro back id play my lock in a heart beat… i rerolled fire mage at the start of bfa and i still main a fire mage and love it but im not gonna lie i miss destro alot

Plaguedemon-wyrmrest-accord · February 4, 2021, 3:44pm

mop warlock was the top warlock form. peak performance.
best specs and gameplay.

Riidley-area-52 · February 4, 2021, 4:24pm

Bring Xelnath back
Bring Xelnath back
Bring Xelnath back
Bring Xelnath back
Bring Xelnath back

Bassrattle-thrall · February 4, 2021, 4:51pm

Ah moonwell chalice

Ojoverde-eldrethalas · February 4, 2021, 5:29pm

I still remember demonic leap!

Worganikz-kelthuzad · February 4, 2021, 6:57pm

This 100%. The way warlocks were designed in MoP/WoD was absolutely perfect in my opinion. Every spec now just feels worse to play in every way, especially Demonology. We got our core mechanic ripped from us and given to DH. Sad part is the only reason they did that was because they had a single ability with the same name. All they had to do was rename Metamorphosis to Demonic Transformation for Demo locks and they could have coexisted perfectly. They didn’t look similar, or function similarly within the specs whatsoever. The new design for Demo just doesn’t work. They’ve tried to make it work for 5 years and it’s still in such an awful spot. I don’t see why they don’t just revert it. Old Demo was viable in all forms of content and it was such a well designed spec. Blizzard please listen to us. Focusing on classes is astronomically more important than focusing on borrowed power systems like covenants. Classes are the medium in which we experience all content. They are the most important part of anyone’s enjoyment in the game.

Ojoverde-eldrethalas · February 4, 2021, 7:07pm

they dont revert demonology changes because “we rather players dont play warlock” still a thing

Worganikz-kelthuzad · February 4, 2021, 7:10pm

We might as well keep asking. They said they wouldn’t do legacy servers and here we are with BC servers coming out soon. I’d rather die standing than live kneeling. Overdramatic obviously but you get the point. If enough people ask and this topic gets more and more popular they will eventually have to at the very least respond to it.

Ingvaeonic-dalaran · February 4, 2021, 7:16pm

Talent trees were very positive for locks. They created some very fun and unique builds that truly made you feel like a warlock. Now, trees are so boring and 1 sided. *sighs, the good times.

Pepino-frostmourne · February 4, 2021, 10:39pm

As a Demonology Main, I’d do anything…and I mean Anything, to regain Metamorphosis… literally this single spell will fix every single problem Demonology has… I quote my work around to bring it into Shadowlands for Demonology.

We need a "bring old meta demonology back" megathread

All they had to do is remove the Talent Nether Portal currently not picked in any content, switch it with a cool name talent “Kanrethads Vengeance”, switching out tyrant to empower yourself.

We will never got a full rework mid expansion, what they should do is just turn it into a 1.5 min Dps CD, last 30 seconds (I say 30 seconds cause it’s not a fire and forget spell like Tyrant, we still have to do mechanics and human error while play), while in Demon Form you speak Demonic, refill soul Shards and increasing damage by X % of all abilities including summons and grant the ability Demonic Leap.

Shadow bolt becomes Touch of Chaos.

Hand of Gul’dan becomes Chaos wave.

Both abilities work just as their replacement, Touch of Chaos as a builder, Chaos Wave as a spender and summons Imps, just visually different.

Bam, we get Metamorphosis to a degree while not the same as MoP easy to put into in this currents rotation and gameplay of Demonology.

You like the current style of gameplay, Sacrificed Souls (needs to be buffed) and Demonic Consumption is their aswell, no one misses out they just talent how they prefer to play.

Think of this like what they did with Shadow Priests, depending on the talent they can go back to BFAs Void Form or just have it as a dps cooldown, both styles of play as an option.

Icing on the cake it will work with all legendaries and covenant aswell so no more work is required.

In reality it’s not hard to bring back metamorphosis to fit into Shadowlands current iteration of Demonology from a players perspective although would need work to be done on their side, but it comes down to really if Blizzard wants to.

We can get it back, it can work with current systems and legendaries, but they won’t do it…

Worganikz-kelthuzad · February 4, 2021, 11:40pm

I absolutely love this idea and this is definitely the best short-term solution BY FAR. I would love to see a complete revamp next expansion, but this would help with A LOT of its mechanical problems for now especially in PvP. I would still like to see primary demons worked on, and more interaction added between you and your primary demon in the future. Also Doom needs to be baseline and do more damage. It’s an iconic ability that no one is going to talent into on that row. If you didn’t already you should make a new thread with that mini rework idea, maybe talk more about the problems it would solve and the benefits it would bring to the current design (ex. more viability in most content especially PvP). I definitely think that would gain some positive traction.

Felvoran-zuljin · February 5, 2021, 12:37pm

I have never been happier playing this game then in MoP on my warlock. I was never that big into demo but destro was literal perfection and aff was at it’s most enjoyable with how much better it was to spread dots around. There hasn’t been a single tier in pve since that has given me the thrill of banking chaos bolts for a huge power proc and reaping the reward.

Kaldarion-scarlet-crusade · February 5, 2021, 1:29pm

In many ways I think class design overall peaked in MoP. Many classes, especially casters became more mobile, abilities with charges and cooldowns with passive bonuses were introduced, and the talent tiers leaned more toward adding utility or modifying base abilities instead of locking important pieces of kit away. Everything since then has been a continued diminishing of that original design. At this point the current talent system is probably nearing the end of its usefulness and I think a pairing down of multiple external power systems and taking an expansion to focus on a revamped talent system and the base classes would be warranted.