Moonkins need help

For 10s on that fight feral/balance come in ahead of Fury (N=1) and Marks (N=1).

The other interesting thing in the feral data is the sheer spread of parses, in both the box and the whiskers. Marks looks somewhat less wide but is the only one visually close - however that’s with 2 parses so it’s quite misleading.

Most sane people would agree that feral and boomkins need buffs. I rather buff classes than see other classes get nerfed.

i’m just saying at 356iLvl i can barely out dps the tank. Only spec right now that is good for druid is resto and bear tanking. I understand druids are a support class but innervate isn’t good and DK now have a battle res what is the point of bringing more than 1 druid to a 25 man raid?

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I figured this was a thread about why someone would roll Moonkin and how can we help them.

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yah, that shadownerf is strong.

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Not a bug. Stop calling it that. Unintended gameplay, maybe. But not a bug.

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Isn’t every class a support class at this point?

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i’m convinced he is just here to troll on all moonkin posts at this point.

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Swapping to mastery to permanently stay in eclipse state is a bug…

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023#boss=1023&sample=1&difficulty=3

You perform on par with aff locks and arms warriors on Chimeron Normal…and no one is going to claim either of those specs are underperforming. Not every fight is good for every spec.

I’ve watched boomies who spam sunfire/insect swarm as their top two dmg abilities and get hard carried through the raids. These players bring down the avg. Boomies that know how to play their class are middle of the pack right now for dps, where druids should be as a hybrid class.

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I’m convinced you dislike the data I’ve linked so you’ve resorted to name calling and flailing because it doesn’t agree with your take.

what data? you quoting frost mage as lower dps?

you literally stated we can get into eclipse in “5 seconds” when it’s a minimum 11 seconds.

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You’ve responded to me in other threads on this topic. I’ve linked the logs multiple times.
For Heroics:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023

For Normals:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023#difficulty=3

For 10m N:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023#difficulty=3&size=10

For 10m H:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023#difficulty=3&size=10

balance performs on par with other dps, the difference between bad boomy players and good boomy players is massive. It’s week 2 of raids. You aren’t the lowest dps spec. Just stop.

If you want to talk about Blizz’s lack of communication that’s one thing, but to claim “boomy is the worst right now” is just untrue.

Bro, your links are a range of 2 weeks that have sunkin, of course you’re going to see a large range between sunkin vs nerfed boomies.

Change to a range of 1 day to get the data of the ramifications of what the change did to boomy so you can control for confounding variables.

your 1st link: We’re above arcane mages
your 2nd link with normal: we’re frost and arcane mages.

And comeon, if you look at logs as much as you do, no one really cares about 10man parses.

For completion:

10man normal: we’re above arcane and frost mages…
10man heroic: we’re above arcane and frost again…

Tell me any serious semi-hardcore guild or even gdkp group willing to take a frost and arcane mage in T11. I bet only below average guilds who don’t care about performance would bring those classes in right now or cheesing parse guilds aiming for the easy 99/100.

how about you just stop with the trolling? I loved that ferals were king in ICC. You have a strange vendetta against boomies. I was mad at blizzard when they nerfed bear weaving. Now strangely, you’re trying to use confounding data to confuse folks and that’s just odd.

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Fun fact, you can swap the time to last 24 hours…and balance is still middle of the road and not last. Like I said above, but you ignored. :person_shrugging:

You guys see the margins lower and go “omg, this spec is last place” while neglecting the fact that top performers are competing for dps just fine with other specs, with some fights making boomies particularly stronger than other classes.

what are you talking about, i’m looking at the 1 day chart right now. It’s what i mentioned above.

I think that’s the point that keeps getting missed here, why would anyone want a boomy in a raid now? For a “utility class” we sure aren’t good at anything, heals are laughable so forget trying to back up healers in a pinch(or just heal yourself).

I find myself having to heal myself after every fight just on the TB dailys and that takes more mana than killing the mob…who thought this was a good idea?

It takes an army to kill a bear druid in pvp because their heals don’t suck, why are ours so bad?

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https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1023#sample=1

They’re right up there with demo locks and aff locks in the one day period…you just don’t understand how to read the data or are just being deliberately obtuse.

Fury is bottom of the pack. Should fury get buffs???

Bro, use the aggregate by dps amounts, not the score in your link.

Their median is within 1k dps of demo locks…that’s not “omg boomy is last place now that i cant abuse a bug reeee”.

What about fury warriors? Are they a pvp spec now? Frost DKs a pvp spec? Feral druids a pvp spec? :skull:

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Yes the N really matters. Good call out.