Moira's Son!

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He’s not a baby anymore!

The true Dark Iron and Bronzebeard heir, and the to-be ruler of Ironforge, he’s a kid now- older than Anduin’s original age back in Vanilla, he’s a young teenager, since Anduin is a full-grown adult.

Time has passed, and they need to update the story involving the dwarves uniting under Ironforge- you can even customize your regular dwarf and make it look like a Wildhammer now, so, canonically, all the dwarves are working together once again, under the Alliance banner.

As cool as Moira is, I think she’s succeeded in her role as a mother and regent lord, and Dagran is now old enough to finally sit on the throne.

The wiki even confirms this fact:

"In ‘Before the Storm’, he is a young child with skin described as an unusual but warm shade of gray. His eyes are large and green with no hint of any red glow, and his hair is white. "

“In ‘The Vow Eternal’, now several years older, he is described as having a glimmer of fiery red in his green eyes and his white hair being tied into a tidy braid. His body is described as gawky.”

“Because Moira was with child when Emperor Dagran was killed in Year 25, Dagran is about 14 - 15 years old in Dragonflight, which is in Year 40.”

Another interesting tidbit, is that he’s got less of a dwarven accent because he spends most of his time reading books.

TLDR -

Moira’s son is older now than Anduin was in Classic, and Anduin still managed to be king.

I think it’s time to put Dagran Thaurissan II on the Ironforge throne, with a proper unique model. Update the lore!

Would also be cool to see Moira raising him better than Magni raised her (he wanted a son, and made that very clear.)

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They level up so fast
:sob:

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Ready for Emperor Dagran to lead the Alliance and let us start destroying Horde capitals again. Let’s go boys, faction war back on the menu! :sunglasses:

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Plot Twist. He becomes a Chaos Dwarf.

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Blizzard plot
He will be very good, then he will be very bad but not ebcause he bad but because old gods hen he eithe rdies or we save him.

And uninronically this bs is way better than SL as a whole.

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Everything is better than Shadowlands. And I do mean everything. It CANNOT be worse.

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It will be interesting to see him when he gets his own model. The mixed appearance of a Bronzebeard and Darkiron.
I think he should probably be a greyish brown tone and keep the red eyes and black hair.

I’m very interested to see what a Lor’themar and Thalyssra’s children will look like as well.

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Is this some Alliance joke that I’m too Horde to understand?

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Again? When has the Alliance destroyed a Horde capital without our help or because our leader decided to destroy it so no one can have it?

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Jaina was supposed to drown Orgrimmar but she was “best friends” with a dragon boy that stopped her from doing the Right Thing™ and ending the faction war decisively.

Seize this moment, Varian. Dismantle the Horde.

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But if Magni had a kid, they would be heir to Ironforge yeah?

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She is the heir of ironforge. But humans I guess get to decide Moira isn’t queen anymore.

:roll_eyes:

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Anduin was “king” with Bolvar actually leading.

I suspect Moira will have some issues relinquishing control when the time comes.

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They have been since Cata. :dracthyr_shrug:

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Magni considered her claim forfeit when she took up with the leader of a full on hostile enemy nation.
The Dark irons were shifty and borderline evil in older WoW lore. Thaelin and others, they’re not what Dark irons were really like.

But Magni and Moira are on good terms now, and have been for a while. Her claim was restored, and the council formed. I’m not sure if that means Muradin will step down from the Bronzebeard throne when the child’s of age or not, but I imagine so in this conflict-less age of WoW.

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Magni never considered her claim forfeit? He blamed the dark irons, not her. Then he was gone when she rolled into ironforge with her new friends.

She married into the dark iron kingdom and is queen or at worst, queen regent.

But she is Magni’s heir and the fact that humans can come in and say she can’t be leader? What’s next? Is Anduin going to tell nightelves that tyrande isnt elune’s chosen? That he’s actually the leader of Gilneas?

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The dynastic interplay is … complicated.

Muradin is the Bronzebeard King, unless and until he relinquishes the crown. His heir apparent is Moira, Muradin having no legal heirs of his body that we know of.

Moira is the Queen Regent of the Dark Irons. Her heir apparent is Dagran II. Either of them will unite the crowns of Bronzebeard and Dark Iron in personal union — which, be it noted, is not the same thing as a unification of clans. Legally, it’s the same deal as existed between England and Scotland between the accession of James I to the English throne in 1603 and the Act of Union in 1707.

The wild card here, appropriately enough, is Falstad Wildhammer. Effectively, via the aforementioned personal union, Three Hammers will become Two upon Muradin’s resignation of the crown. What will Falstad do? That … might get messy.

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Nah, he’ll go back to Aerie Peak and do his own thing or try to reclaim Grim Batol. Remember that Aerie Peak actually has full on capital city status and is just about the size of Stormwind canonically, it’s not some rinkydink gryphon hut like we actually see ingame.

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One of the better choices. That said, the Wildhammers decided to join the Council for a reason. If the reason is no longer a front-burner concern, sure, they can walk. But if not, that’s where it might get testy.

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Not sure if I want to see him as king now but a new model would be great for him.

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