So long as they can even out the auto attack procs for DW/2H in both specs, it should be pretty easy to balance, it’s a long time request.
I’ve always preferred the transmog of having just one blade, so just give people the option to look the way they want without having to sacrifice for it.
If they gave Frost a baseline KM proc chance like Unholy gets for Doom, it would also be very good for pvp since we’re forced into alot of versatility and we can’t get enough crit for reliable procs.
Again, Crit damage is nerfed in pvp so it’s a double fail in pvp.
Either they give us a higher base crit chance via frost talents and extra damage per crit chance for KM and Frost Scythe or just give us a proc that doesn’t rely on crit, either works for me.
That would only be the case if the identity of the person is a known quantity.
Your identity is an unknown as the forums are anonymous by using our characters not our real personages. Thereby They/It as a way of identifying someone without misappropriately gendering them is entirely grammatically appropriate and correct.
Im not a vase dude. And many times I have said I am a guy which makes what these people you are sticking up for even worse. You guys know what you are doing and its bad.
Give me one example of a person being referred to as an “it” that isnt racist / dehumanizing sounding.
Crazy you want to call that dehumanizing or racist just because some people don’t know your gender behind an avatar. However, what that gotta do with this thread? Like you said these dozen times before, STAY ON TOPIC!!!
ok a grammar lesson.
When dealing with an unknown gender, It is entirely fine when talking about them indirectly. When talking DIRECTLY to them though, yes, then it is dehumanizing. “It puts the lotion on it’s skin or it gets the hose again.” Is such an example. In this thread however. No one has said or addressed you as It when talking to you directly. So your argument falls flat.
Given also these forums are against individuals doxxing themselves or others, some will fall back on non-affirming or neutral terms. So They/it remains acceptable. At least when talking indirectly.
Respect is a two-way street, someone who spends their time trolling everyone on the DK forums who want to improve the class, especially when it doesn’t effect him at all, has no business lecturing anyone about “respect.”
Even something as benign where everybody wins like “DKs should get the option of red or green eyes” is met with a hissy fit and the thread inevitably degenerates into the collective DK community being 100% done with his cr*p.
Not everyone wins there. Thats the thing. Im not the only one with that mindset especially when you guys want to crap all over an aspect of the game that other people want to be consistent to get what you want.
If there are only 3-4 DK’s on the forums, then sure. But im tired of your guys crap with saying “screw the lore and screw you, gimmie what I want!”
Treat others like you want to be treated? Tell me, when do I ever call people stupid? It? Moron? Goober? or anything else. Every single time I am on topic and then you guys go unhinged and fly off the handle. There ARE things that need to be changed in this game and Blizzard are focusing on those more than “2h NEEDS ANOTHER RUNEFORGE! Even though 2h has 2 Runeforges already with MotFW being the answer to DW 2 runeforges… 2h needs 3!” Then when someone points out that MotFW is 2h second runeforge you guys make excuses, call people names and then eventually get your own threads locked.
So yes, treat people like you want to be treated. Come up with better ideas than “buff howling blast by 400%!” and when met with the reasoning not to, dont call that person stupid when math and an explanation is involved. Thats what happened here. Other people have talked about the negatives in cleaving strikes being a part of RW instead of DnD.
What is hilarious when i say things like cleave and aoe need to be separate from st so things can be balanced easier… its crickets about that but instead its “you dont play the game you dont know anything, your stupid!”
So yeah, how about reflecting on how you guys are acting towards other players. But you get triggered because of a name which is hilarious in itself.
Kell, you been dismissive, disrespectful,and destructive in your conversation toward others time after time yet you gaslight it and pretend you did nothing wrong. People don’t want your input because you don’t play retail nor fundamentality understand what goes on the current meta. And while others give you their opinion on the matter, then you turn simple discussion to a dispute for some odd reason just because they disagree with you and think it’s all fabric lies because all you want to do on here to be proven right.
Ironically, even now, you are still being destructive and still wonder why people don’t like you
Wouldn’t mind seeing Howling Blast returned to a powerful cooldown, or… say… able to accumulate up to 3 charges to be spendable simultaneously (costing 3 Runes to hit for ~400% the single Rune’s damage), with Rime granting a spare charge and nullifying one Rune’s cost each.
If we want melee involved at all, baseline HB shouldn’t outweigh baseline OB while remaining spammable, obviously, but if infrequently available, it could essentially act as if we opened combat with Rime and Rime made it actually truck, just via a CD or stackable-and-simultaneously-consumed charges.
Would rather see more Frost-fit means of self-sustain.
2 charges mostly deals with this issue already (if at risk of being a balance pain point in certain PvP situations), but in general I’m not 100% sure I want our AoE cleave capacity to be inseparable from a nigh use-on-CD. Thematically it makes sense, but functionally it’d be nerf in all manner except the reduced Rune cost. (I.e., just allowing for a 1-Rune DnD would be far stronger, now that we have the lingering duration on said cleave anyways.)
If we could make Remorseless Winter optional as a ST action, then sure, but… it’s our #1 priority whenever our (de)buffs aren’t about to fall off.
Ehh, ignore nitpick; 2nd charge should do the trick if there’s due balance around its presence.
The PvP nerfs to crit are an issue for Frost as much as for Fire, etc., yes, but… if crit were to both increase our frequency of KM and the potency of KM, it’d just be a better Haste (frequency) and Mastery (potency) both.
The way it works now synergizes with Haste (multiplicative gains to frequency) and Mastery (multiplicative gains to overall damage), allowing for probably the best / most balanced stat distribution in the game, at least when building for 1–3 targets.
If anything, Crit being as strong as it is in AoE would be what most (conditionally) reduces build choice if Frost were ever obliged towards overall damage builds for M+ over leveraging focus damage.
For now, though, it’s seems pretty solid.
The latter can’t be fixed except by overall tuning, but sure, we could… nerf our burst to offer, in effect, less utility via the timing of our damage when managing the same overall, I guess?
Tbh, thematically I would prefer less feast-or-famine, yes. I just don’t think it’d necessarily be any sort of buff or even healthier for the spec. I suspect it’d be the same, except when dealing with a dumpster tank, just… feeling modestly-to-decently different.
Isn’t this more an issue with Clawing Shadows / 1 Rune actions? Just balance those out, or, if aiming to keep it obligatory for Unholy, at least balance OB’s 2-Rune spending against it?
We would still end up with the resource famine problem if we needed 3 stacks to reduce the rune cost down to 0. But I see where you’re going with this.
My overall intent would be to turn Howling Blast into something more than just something we cast once at the begining for Frost Fever and and once after the Obliterated and RP runs out.
KM will always be a priority cast, but I wouldn’t mind if Rime procs became a priority if KM isn’t on.
So maybe a decent baseline buff to HB, not enough to match half a normal Oblit, followed with an Rime proc that has a significantly reduced % buff than the current version, but still results in a much stronger HB due to the higher baseline.
The 3 Rime stacks could offer us 3 free filler spells to recover runes and the grace to actually hurt an enemy player at range until it runs out.
Of course Frost Strike is still the real hard hitting priority for DW as soon as the target gets 5 stacks Razorice.
As for Death Siphon. It’s shadowfrost damage so we all win.
Then make better suggestions that are worse than what is in place right now.
in your opinion which doesnt mean anything to me.
destructive to what? Bad suggestions? Yeah… so what?
no i havent. You have absolutely no clue what gaslight means.
And I dont want your crappy suggestions that do more harm to a spec that you guys already hate.
So what? This is the same played out non-argument that is just an argument from authority. You guys think the only way that you can have a thought in your head is to trial and error something. Thats not the case and Frost is NOT some highly involved brain surgeon spec. Its not like someone cant just do the math of what a 400% increase to the baseline of Howling Blast would do, and then the person that says “you dont know what your talking about” takes the tooltip of something and not the actual figure when Obliterate gets reduced by at least 30% from the targets armor while howling blast doesnt lose anything.
Im tired of you guys acting like you know better but you dont even know the basics of how physical damage works in this game. The tooltip doesnt take into account enemy armor, so if you are just going off the tooltip you are just talking out of your rear making misinformed suggestions.
You guys literally dont, its all assumptions but because “you claim to play the game” you should know what you are talking about which makes it even worse that someone that doesnt play retail knows more than you do. Instead of actually looking into what is said, you take it as a personal attack. If you want a personal attack here is one, you dont kow what your talking about and you are making suggestions to a class when you do not know the fundamentals of the game. Period. Increasing Howling Blasts base damage by 400% would make it so you would use that ability to spend runes whenever you dont have a KM proc. That is a destruction of how the spec is all because someone didnt take into account armor and still refuses to.
No no no, them saying im stupid is not giving their opinion on the matter. Its a personal attack because they cant handle reality. Obliterate gets reduced by armor, period. On raid test dummies its around half of what your tooltip says. Even if its 30% which is roughly where a lot of enemies actually is, Howling Blasts damage increased by 400% would still outdamage a baseline Obliterate, that costs 100% more runes. You wouldnt be using Obliterate other than KM procs, and then that removes a lot of Rime Procs leading to worse gameplay.
Then prove that you are right. Instead of just saying “there is no situation where you would use Howling Blast over Obliterate because the tooltips say so” then prove it and give the numbers. Go out in the world or to a target dummy, press Obliterate without a KM proc and Howling Blast without a rime proc, increase Howling Blasts damage by 400% and prove to me that I am wrong instead of doing the same lame “you dont play the game argument”. The reason why I dont play retail is bad suggestions made by egotistical people that dont know what they are talking about. Literally.
Im not looking for you to like me. I dont care if you dont like me, but yes, im going to be destructive to bad ideas. Howling Blast base damage increase by 400% is a bad idea that should be destroyed and removed from the list of suggestions. Period.
