“There is NO EFFECTIVE JUSTIFICATION, why OUR RANGE is 25 yds for DEVASTATION and 30 YDS for PRESERVATION.”
Benefits and drawbacks are basic game design 101, and our range is a drawback without a benefit. And yet we still have fools here arguing vehemently against objective reality.
I agree with you 100% of course. But you are wasting your time with these people. I don’t know what their agenda is, but they are not interested in facts and therefore have no place in this discussion.
Like I said previously, never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you soundly with experience.
The best we can hope is that we get some sort of strength to justify our disadvantage sooner rather than later.
It’s embarrassing that you think you’re important enough for someone to read all of your posts , not responding to an individual, as if that is reasonable to expect in a conversation between two people.
No one cares what you want, there’s literally every other healer to choose from. If you don’t like it, you can choose a different class to play instead of demanding that the game changes for your tastes. You are selfish and ignorant.
I mean to this point, frontal cones are literally easier to dodge at 25 than 40. If you want more range because you’re having trouble mechanics, it’s a l2p issue. There are range-stack type things where obviously 40yds would be easier, but our ranged just group to me (like fire on sark p1) and we are completely fine.
Pepino’s solution is fine by me, I think any deva players that aren’t complaining about pvp are just not good at the positioning and mechanics of the class. I feel for the preservation bois, though.
If anything especially coming from Launch/Season 1, we’ve gotten fairly weaker especially in terms of our HPS output coming into Season 2, Speaking from a Preservation standpoint.
Amen to this. Preservation had a brief flirt with success in niche situations such as solo shuffle and some M+ settings but that pretty much vanished within a few weeks. Devastation never excelled at anything other than some one shot gimmick arena builds that were nerfed in to irrelevancy at record speed.
Ironically, I don’t think either spec did great at either DF raid despite the developer assurances that the raids would be designed with the Evoker in mind. Go figure.
I don’t understand the difficulty people are having. Is this a problem in PvP or Mythic raiding or something?
I’m a pretty average M+ and heroic raider, and I can’t say that the range is ever a problem. I main Preservation but I also never have any issues when I offspec as Devastation.
At least from a PvE perspective I hope they don’t change anything. 30yds is plenty and adds a small twist on healing, and the payoff seems to be that Evoker healing is really strong.
It really isn’t too hard of a concept to grasp. More range gives you more options, more uptime and usually more safety. Would you prefer a healer than can operate in 30 yards or 40? Would you prefer a caster that can operate at 25 yards or 40+? Considering there is no actual trade-off or compensation for the crippled range, the choice is painfully obvious.
How does “Having a smaller healing window” add an interesting “twist” to anything? You are not compensated by having superior healing output (in fact Preservation has been steadily eclipsed more and more by full range healer specs as DF has gone on) despite this shorter range so what really is the point? We are not the most mobile healer, we are not the most potent, we offer minimal utility outside of said heals and our defensives are especially awful.
If there was a payoff for either spec having the diminished range it does, it is possible you would have a point. As it stands, we are paying valuable range (in a game that absolutely is not designed around such specs having said range) and getting absolutely nothing in exchange. That isn’t a twist, a quirk or a fun novelty. That is an absolutely needless penalty.
It isn’t even a problem exclusive to high end content. I could add my experiences and “joys” of seeing MELEE specs outrange me with their ranged abilities and gap closers in PvP but it really boils down to the most basic of number games. If 40 yards is the accepted range for spell casters, especially ones heavy on channels and cast times (which Evoker absolutely is), then cutting that down to nearly half, with zero compensation of actual value, is going to feel bad. It is as simple as the analogy of why settle for burlap when you can have silk for the same price?
I completely respect your view and in no way disregarding that as you mentioned average content is fine I really think so your right, I’d say low - mid keys and in Raid LFR - Heroic, anything really can work.
That’s why generally Blizzard tunes and balances by looking at top end players, they push and play classes to the true limitations.
I consider myself average aswell, I’m slowly pushing into 21 keys and as a Preservation Evoker the most frustrating thing personally is when that person is slightly out of range and dies and that costs the Key.
I’ve also come to notice higher keys one wipe = dead key, and to be the cause of bricking someone’s key honestly to me feels horrible.
Then I just say to myself “I should of just stayed as my Shaman”.
It requires virtually no effort and is not evidence of caring.
Ah, I just went back and looked at it and you decided to hijack a response to my response of someone else’s comment like it was relevant to the conversation I started with another person. I guess that makes sense from someone as overbearing as you seem to be.
You’re*
Whatever it is that causes you to be so volatile and emotionally heightened over the range of a class that you shouldn’t be playing, I hope you reroll so the game doesn’t pander to you.
The person who is saying to leave the class the way it is and not pander to my personal tastes, seems more egotistical than the person trying to get the entirety of a class changed just because they think it should be that way? Are you alright? You should use your thinky bits a bit more.
