I can play my hunter again, YAY!
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Good buffs.
Black arrow will once again be stronger than kill shot against mail/plate, and we’re almost back at the 20% we had for aimed/rapid fire
Also, this shows the devs’ intentions for MM in PVP - a caster stomper spec 
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spec is still dependant to withering fire. like pillar-frost dk -shadow dance-sub rogue.
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This just shows you the incompetence; a nerf they rolled out a few weeks ago is being reversed. Total proof that none of them play their own game, let alone MM Hunter in PvP.
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We’re not getting those weeks back. Thankfully I got my new 378 ilvl 
in Classic Cata so I knew where to put in the work instead. I’ll be ready to start off fresh for Dragon Soul.
Also, I should add that this change should help vs. Versatility which I know and have heard that it’s on every PvP gear. I was even telling my favorite undead rude boy that I’d go naked of Vers, and just do Crit/Msty all the way with a “garnish” of Haste. I can already tell the problem of trying to PvP as a MM is that Vers was butted out.
This is literally a revert.
Because if you nerf a spell by 10%, you need to buff it back by around 12% to get it to where it was.
Say, a spell did 100 damage.
You nerf it by 10%, it starts doing 90 damage.
But if you buff it back by 10%, it will now be 10% of 90, so it will go up to 99 damage.
So, if you want to put it back where it was initially, it must be buffed by a little over 11%
It only took them 1 month to realize the 10% nerf was a mistake…
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Wrong, the bug still exists that the pvp modifers on these abilities is missing. these buffs do nothing.
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Why not buff them and make Dark ranger actually viable in pve too , Im so sick of this expansion already
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They are adding 15% pvp modifier back to rapid fire
Aimed shot has a pvp modifier even on live
The pvp modifiers were never missing. You can see them in the spell data dump on simc’s github, it comes straight out of the game’s code:
Name : Aimed Shot (id=19434) [Spell Family (9)]
Talent Entry : Marksmanship [tree=spec, row=1, col=1, max_rank=1, req_points=0]
Class : Hunter
School : Physical
Spell Type : Ranged
Resource : 35 Focus (2) (id=795)
Spell Level : 10
Range : 40 yards
Cast Time : 2.5 seconds
GCD : 1.5 seconds
Velocity : 100 yards/sec
Requires weapon : Bow, Gun, Crossbow
Charges : 2 (12 seconds cooldown)
Category : 1715 (Type 0x1): Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effect#6), Trueshot (288613 effect#3), Tactical Reload (400472 effect#2)
Labels : 16: Class Spells
: 23: Hunter Spells
: 292
Azerite Power Id : 97
Affecting Spells : Freezing Trap (3355 effect#2), Bestial Wrath (19574 effects: #1, #4), Refocus (24531 effect#1), Mortal Shots (36413 effect#1), Hunter (137014 effect#3), Beast Mastery Hunter (137015 effects: #1, #2), Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effects: #1, #2), Survival Hunter (137017 effects: #1, #2), Lone Wolf (155228 effects: #1, #2), Mastery: Sniper Training (193468 effects: #1, #2, #4), Lock and Load (194594 effects: #1, #2, #3), Bullseye (204090 effect#1), Sentinel’s Sight (208913 effect#1), Gyroscopic Stabilization (235712 effects: #1, #2), Unseen Predator’s Cloak (248212 effect#1), Trick Shots (257622 effect#2), Thrill of the Hunt (257946 effect#1), Lethal Shots (260395 effect#2), Mastery: Spirit Bond (263135 effects: #1, #2), Arrowstorm (263814 effect#1), Lethal Shots (269502 effect#1), Trueshot (288613 effects: #4, #7), Secrets of the Unblinking Vigil (336892 effect#1), Streamline (342076 effect#1), Coordinated Assault (360952 effects: #2, #5), Bestial Pact (360955 effects: #3, #4), Night Hunter (378766 effect#1), Focused Aim (378767 effect#1), Spearhead (378957 effects: #2, #3), Fury Strikes (425830 effects: #1, #2), Sentinel Precision (450375 effects: #1, #2), Moving Target (457116 effect#1), Specialized Arsenal (459542 effects: #1, #2), Outland Venom (459941 effect#1)
Family Flags : 1, 17, 106, 121
Attributes : Uses Ranged Slot (1), Is Ability (4), Not Shapeshifted (16), Discount Power On Miss (59), Do Not Reset Combat Timers (81), Initiate Combat Post-Cast (Enables Auto-Attack) (84), Bouncy Chain Missiles (146), Force Display Castbar (155), Do Not Auto Select Target with Initiates Combat (220), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects :
#1 (id=10651) : School Damage (2): physical
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 (delta=0.05) | AP Coefficient: 3.63 | PvP Coefficient: 1.55 | Target: Enemy (6)
#2 (id=101526) : Dummy (3)
Base Value: 50 | Scaled Value: 50
Description : A powerful aimed shot that deals $s1 Physical damage$?s260240[ and causes your next 1-$260242u ]$?s342049&s260240[Chimaera Shots]?s260240[Arcane Shots]$?s260240[ or Multi-Shots to deal $260242s1% more damage].$?s260228[
Name : Rapid Fire (id=257045) [Spell Family (9)]
Class : Hunter
School : Physical
Spell Type : Ranged
Spell Level : 3
Range : 40 yards
Velocity : 40 yards/sec
Requires weapon : Bow, Gun, Crossbow
Labels : 16: Class Spells
: 23: Hunter Spells
: 292
Affecting Spells : Freezing Trap (3355 effect#2), Bestial Wrath (19574 effects: #1, #4), Mortal Shots (36413 effect#1), Beast Mastery Hunter (137015 effects: #1, #2), Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effects: #1, #2), Survival Hunter (137017 effects: #1, #2), Lone Wolf (155228 effects: #1, #2), Mastery: Sniper Training (193468 effects: #1, #2), Bullseye (204090 effect#1), Unseen Predator’s Cloak (248212 effect#1), Trick Shots (257622 effect#2), Thrill of the Hunt (257946 effect#1), Streamline (260367 effects: #1, #2), Lethal Shots (260395 effect#1), Mastery: Spirit Bond (263135 effects: #1, #2), Focused Fire (278531 effect#2), Surging Shots (336867 effects: #1, #2), Brutal Projectiles (339929 effect#1), Coordinated Assault (360952 effects: #2, #5), Bestial Pact (360955 effects: #3, #4), Night Hunter (378766 effect#1), Focused Aim (378767 effect#1), Spearhead (378957 effects: #2, #3), Surging Shots (391559 effects: #1, #2), Fury Strikes (425830 effects: #1, #2), Hunter Marksmanship 10.2 Class Set 2pc (431168 effect#1), Sentinel Precision (450375 effects: #1, #2), Cornered Prey (452101 effect#1), Outland Venom (459941 effect#1)
Family Flags : 3, 106, 121
Attributes : Uses Ranged Slot (1), Ignore Line of Sight (66), Do Not Reset Combat Timers (81), No Durability Loss (101), Not a Proc (105), Bouncy Chain Missiles (146), Allow Cast While Channeling (308), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects :
#1 (id=479998) : School Damage (2): physical
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 (delta=0.05) | AP Coefficient: 0.605 | PvP Coefficient: 1.45 | Target: Enemy (6)
Description : $@spelldesc257044
There’s one guy in particular on the hunter discord that is actually really good at hunter, but is extremely adamant that the pvp mods aren’t being applied. I’ve tested it in every way possible and it’s just not true.
Which is, I think part of people’s misunderstanding. You actually lost 30% worth of modifiers from the old dark ranger tree, because old withering fire contributed a 10% flat buff to all of your damage. These pvp mods are about half of the lost damage.
I think that if there’s still a bug with marks, it might be worth looking into it’s base mastery scaling (i.e., they could have accidentally nerfed mastery on all of marks’ spells when they fixed the double dip on black arrow), but this is approximately as far as you can get from only being able to test client-side without debugging priviliges. It has never actually been the pvp mods, though.
This is the go-forward problem for marks. These buffs will either do nothing, or we’ll get close to the tipping point of low armor targets getting accidentally yeeted when you get super lucky with procs in early trueshot. You can’t just nerf withering fire in pvp past a certain point without giving it a choice node, because there will be a point at which simply not taking the talent, not filling out your hero tree becomes the best option in order to retain the ability to cast unnerfed black arrows in trueshot.
The other problem with their approach is that they’re assuming everyone will always play dark ranger. Sentinel has always had +15% mods and has always been situationally decent into various things. Buffs on base spells have the potential to get out of line from this angle as well. You can eat pet classes alive with sentinel if you know how and when to cleave with it properly to funnel a lot of damage into something.
Imagine if MM hunter ends up being the counter to BM hunter. xD
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Currently, Aimed shot has a 1.55 PVP modifier, this is correct.
Rapid fire, however, does not have one.
This is the correct spell to look at:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=257044/rapid-fire
(the one that ends in 4)
This is the spell in your spellbook and talent tree.
The spell you’re linking (with the 1.45 PVP modifier):
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=257045/rapid-fire
(the one that ends in 5)
is an old version of Rapid fire and it’s not used in the current version of the game.
So, currently
Aimed shot: 1.55
Rapid fire: 1
Tomorrow:
Aimed shot: 1.7
Rapid fire: 1.15
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No, you have that backwards.
Here is today’s build:
Name : Rapid Fire (id=257045) [Spell Family (9)]
Class : Hunter
School : Physical
Spell Type : Ranged
Spell Level : 3
Range : 40 yards
Velocity : 40 yards/sec
Requires weapon : Bow, Gun, Crossbow
Labels : 16: Class Spells
: 23: Hunter Spells
: 292
Affecting Spells : Freezing Trap (3355 effect#2), Bestial Wrath (19574 effects: #1, #4), Mortal Shots (36413 effect#1), Beast Mastery Hunter (137015 effects: #1, #2), Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effects: #1, #2), Survival Hunter (137017 effects: #1, #2), Lone Wolf (155228 effects: #1, #2), Mastery: Sniper Training (193468 effects: #1, #2), Bullseye (204090 effect#1), Unseen Predator’s Cloak (248212 effect#1), Trick Shots (257622 effect#2), Thrill of the Hunt (257946 effect#1), Streamline (260367 effects: #1, #2), Lethal Shots (260395 effect#1), Mastery: Spirit Bond (263135 effects: #1, #2), Focused Fire (278531 effect#2), Surging Shots (336867 effects: #1, #2), Brutal Projectiles (339929 effect#1), Coordinated Assault (360952 effects: #2, #5), Bestial Pact (360955 effects: #3, #4), Night Hunter (378766 effect#1), Focused Aim (378767 effect#1), Spearhead (378957 effects: #2, #3), Surging Shots (391559 effects: #1, #2), Fury Strikes (425830 effects: #1, #2), Hunter Marksmanship 10.2 Class Set 2pc (431168 effect#1), Sentinel Precision (450375 effects: #1, #2), Cornered Prey (452101 effect#1), Outland Venom (459941 effect#1)
Family Flags : 3, 106, 121
Attributes : Uses Ranged Slot (1), Ignore Line of Sight (66), Do Not Reset Combat Timers (81), No Durability Loss (101), Not a Proc (105), Bouncy Chain Missiles (146), Allow Cast While Channeling (308), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects :
#1 (id=479998) : School Damage (2): physical
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 (delta=0.05) | AP Coefficient: 0.605 | PvP Coefficient: 1.6675 | Target: Enemy (6)
Hotfixed : PvP Coefficient (1.45 → 1.6675)
Description : $@spelldesc257044
Name : Aimed Shot (id=19434) [Spell Family (9)]
Talent Entry : Marksmanship [tree=spec, row=1, col=1, max_rank=1, req_points=0]
Class : Hunter
School : Physical
Spell Type : Ranged
Resource : 35 Focus (2) (id=795)
Spell Level : 10
Range : 40 yards
Cast Time : 2.5 seconds
GCD : 1.5 seconds
Velocity : 100 yards/sec
Requires weapon : Bow, Gun, Crossbow
Charges : 2 (12 seconds cooldown)
Category : 1715 (Type 0x1): Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effect#6), Trueshot (288613 effect#3), Tactical Reload (400472 effect#2)
Labels : 16: Class Spells
: 23: Hunter Spells
: 292
Azerite Power Id : 97
Affecting Spells : Freezing Trap (3355 effect#2), Bestial Wrath (19574 effects: #1, #4), Refocus (24531 effect#1), Mortal Shots (36413 effect#1), Hunter (137014 effect#3), Beast Mastery Hunter (137015 effects: #1, #2), Marksmanship Hunter (137016 effects: #1, #2), Survival Hunter (137017 effects: #1, #2), Lone Wolf (155228 effects: #1, #2), Mastery: Sniper Training (193468 effects: #1, #2, #4), Lock and Load (194594 effects: #1, #2, #3), Bullseye (204090 effect#1), Sentinel’s Sight (208913 effect#1), Gyroscopic Stabilization (235712 effects: #1, #2), Unseen Predator’s Cloak (248212 effect#1), Trick Shots (257622 effect#2), Thrill of the Hunt (257946 effect#1), Lethal Shots (260395 effect#2), Mastery: Spirit Bond (263135 effects: #1, #2), Arrowstorm (263814 effect#1), Lethal Shots (269502 effect#1), Trueshot (288613 effects: #4, #7), Secrets of the Unblinking Vigil (336892 effect#1), Streamline (342076 effect#1), Coordinated Assault (360952 effects: #2, #5), Bestial Pact (360955 effects: #3, #4), Night Hunter (378766 effect#1), Focused Aim (378767 effect#1), Spearhead (378957 effects: #2, #3), Fury Strikes (425830 effects: #1, #2), Sentinel Precision (450375 effects: #1, #2), Moving Target (457116 effect#1), Specialized Arsenal (459542 effects: #1, #2), Outland Venom (459941 effect#1)
Family Flags : 1, 17, 106, 121
Attributes : Uses Ranged Slot (1), Is Ability (4), Not Shapeshifted (16), Discount Power On Miss (59), Do Not Reset Combat Timers (81), Initiate Combat Post-Cast (Enables Auto-Attack) (84), Bouncy Chain Missiles (146), Force Display Castbar (155), Do Not Auto Select Target with Initiates Combat (220), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects :
#1 (id=10651) : School Damage (2): physical
Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 (delta=0.05) | AP Coefficient: 3.63 | PvP Coefficient: 1.7825 | Target: Enemy (6)
Hotfixed : PvP Coefficient (1.55 → 1.7825)
Drustvar and everyone else use spellid 257045 to track it. Also doesn’t make sense that an older version would be a bigger number. You don’t usually iterate backwards in versioning. They even comment in changes to them.
Did these buffs go through? My aimed shot is hitting for even less than what I remember. Just on pvp training dummies, I’m doing 300k-600k aimed shots.
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