I run pugs only, and will most likely not run anything past a m+22 this patch. While I did get KSM this past week, I noticed tanks just dont give a rats butt about my resonating arrow, even though it will give the entire team an awesome crit buff… I took a few hours and went to level necro. I don’t have to worry about tanks running out of anything… and im hitting 19.5-21k on avg.
I’m getting burned and laughed at beginning of dungeons though when I use my fleshcraft, but then everyones quiet when i do 30-50k on each pack. Not sure of all the kyrian chads who hate on necro, but we not all of us have the perfect tanks, especially in pugs or sanguine weeks. Just saying that yes, kyrian may be great in groups with comms, but necro is just as great, no reason to hate.
Yeah I don’t understand the reasoning behind people not liking necro MM vs kyrian or NF. Like the ! Command in discord says “necro is worse in every way, people playing it at highest keys just don’t know any better”
There’s actually nothing in that command that is valuable besides some opinion.
The damage is comparable if not better for necro in aoe situations, the fleshcraft is nice for an extra defensive.
They’re both good in different ways imo the hate for necro is weird amongst the MM community unless I’m completely missing something
Please I want to be enlightened as to why the hate for necro, no sarcasm
In an ideal scenario with organized groups on comms, Kyrian or NF is always objectively better than Necro. This isn’t an opinion, this isn’t up for debate, this is mathematical fact.
That said, especially in pugs, the ideal scenario rarely if ever happens. I’ve had many, MANY pulls where I drop WS and Volley, start to go ham, and the mobs are dragged out of the circles before the first Aimed Shot lands.
If you aren’t in a guild with others depending on your performance to achieve a common goal, play whatever the hell you think is fun.
If this was true Kyrian and NF would dominate the top 10 of logs for keys. But they don’t, in many cases they are worse. Which means this isn’t true. The “ideal” is a fallacy of the sim you ran and didn’t account for reality.
The damage really isn’t comparable. Kyrian is quite a bit ahead especially with the shorter CD due to Mikanikos. It scales better because it’s buffing our whole toolkit rather than giving us extra Explosive Shots, so Kyrian synergises with the tier set a lot better.
The defensive is actually a reason why Necrolord can still be relevant because in high keys Hunter defensive capability is precariously low.
It’s nice to not have to depend on a ground-targeted ability but lining up with Volley doesn’t really matter because Death Chakrams and Volley don’t complement each other.
They kind of do, though. Most of the leaderboard is Kyrian/Night Fae, with a handful of Necrolord holdouts.
It’s also woth pointing out that most people who are seriously pushing high keys are playing Survival instead of Marksmanship. That means the skill/optimisation level of the MM leaderboard is a lot lower than the SV leaderboard. You can potentially have people playing more suboptimally reaching the top of the MM leaderboard.
This I don’t agree with based on my own experience. It could be I’m better at necro than I am kyrian.
It’s not for complimenting each other its for good aoe burst every 45 seconds.
My understanding is that for whatever reason if I can’t get many Aimed shots out during RA and volley cause of a mechanic where I have to move or volcanic etc etc I will get more out of chakram just because it’s a fire and forget.
Seems from my experience is that necro is easier to get more out of in no comms pug and kyrian nf is better in an organized team.
Why would it be fire and forget? When Death Chakram hits, you get 10 seconds of 10% increased physical damage. You gotta maximize that window too, don’t you?
I don’t get this argument that Kyrian is not so good in no-comms pugs. It’s very easy to get value out of it. It’s a 1 minute cooldown (down to 40 secs if it hits 5 targets) and really the mobs only have to be in it for 4 seconds because the debuff sticks around after they leave it.
Well so far we haven’t considered the haste from Mikanikos or the crit bonus to the entire group the Kyrian legendary gives so it’s not like we are considering all of Kyrian.
