MM "Design"

MM was iterated on so much in TWW and, take away the RNG nonsense with Black Arrow, MM felt really satisfying to play. Sentinel in keys last season was peak MM experience rotationally especially. Simple but engaging with a touch of nuance with some big boom dopamine hits sprinkled in. Great stuff really.

Now? It feels like a base idea for a spec on a whiteboard developer session during pre-alpha before any coding was started for the game at all, and they ran out of time to go back and add the spice and flavor to make it a real spec.

The base rotation is just…bland. No nuance at all. MM hunter was NOT complicated. We weren’t building rockets over here. Specs like Shadow Priest, all 3 lock specs, Evokers, kept alot of their rotational flavor or actually got some QoL improvements going in to Midnight.

Us? We lost all nuance and fun in our ALREADY simple (but engaging) rotation, but to make up for it, we lost most of our traps and knockback/up, root utility too.

This is not 2026 game design. This feels less than vanilla. More importantly, it doesnt feel anything close to what we should expect for a game we pay a monthly sub to play. Especially after all the iterating the last few tiers to get it where it was just to let us enjoy it for one or two tiers, then trash it.

This deserves alot more attention and public response from the devs. MM didnt deserve, or need this level of “pruning”.

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Yeah, it’s all very regrettable. Sort of makes me want to do something else, until it changes again.

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It is ACTUALLY less than vanilla and the rotation is back to basically vanilla wow except at least back then there was making sure not to clip autoshots so we dont even have that.

There is no skill component anymore. There is nothing you can “improve” on to get better and do more DPS. Its genuinely so poor.

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Marksman is a bland spec. Yeah, it can hit hard, but what good is it if playing it feels dull an uninspired?

I still enjoy Hunter, if only for nostalgia.

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If you think Sentinel MM feels bad right now, try Dark Ranger.
If Sentinel is bad and boring, Dark Ranger is utter trash.

Removing Phantom Pain, removing precise shots from interraction with Black Arrow was a huge L. Dark Ranger has zero interraction with Aimed shot and all Apex talents are around Aimed Shot.

Dark Ranger Mm was almost in perfect condition last season, just needed to strip it of too much RNG and it would be at its zenith.

Now it’s a total crap, not only it’s very unsatisfying to play, it it second lowest DPS spec according to Archon, we’re doing LESS THAN HALF of the damage of Survival hunter.
Not 5% less, not 10%, not even 25%, we’re 50 PERCENT LESS damage than Survival.
This is non sense even for prepatch.

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My broader point was MM in general. I agree both hero specs feel horrible. Numbers are not tuned pre-90. Numbers are the least of our worries atm.

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The rotation feels so bad and empty without volley/explosive shot.

Utility has been nuked. No binding or explosive/implosion trap to combo.

It is a straight downgrade from TWW to Midnight.

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There is straight up no interactions of any kind between abilities and nothing to do. There is absolutely no skill component to the entire spec anymore - its straight up story mode where you are pressing a to continue but its dressed up to act like youre playing when youre not.

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It’s pretty sad. I’m not sure which spec has is the worst. It feels like everyday I find something else that’s been removed or dumbed down to death.

It’s not even like they removed that many buttons, they just nuked the fun and functionality.

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I mean its basically Drop freezing trap welp Im all out of options now.

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Everytime I play Sent MM with friends on retail, the more upset I get with the changes. Because utility is gone, and they wanted to strip utility out of healers and put more responsibility on other roles. Then why the hell did our utility get stripped?

And I agree with everyone saying that MM rotation is so boring. So much damage is front loaded into True Shot that our dps is so lack luster outside of it. There is no fun interaction with our skills anymore because they took away explosive shot that flowed so perfectly with Aimed Shot and Volley. There was room to do better at the rotation to improve and explore. Now it’s just a stream lined input 1-2-3.

I am so disappointed with the changes that I am shopping at other classes to play in Midnight and bench my hunter for the foreseeable future.

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Same. And the frustration being I felt like they absolutely NAILED M+ Sentinel finally last tier after all the work they put in to MM this expac…and now….this. Good. Lord.

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That is pretty much it 100%. If I could upvote it more, I would

And it’s not even like we get compensated by “doing more damage” because we aren’t. The MM is anemic compared to many other classes now.

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