So its safe to assume we aren’t getting chi back? Or old mana tea or emminence or any of the old MOP/WOD playstyle?
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the people who actually like and play Monk are a much smaller group than the people who don’t play Monk and advocate for changes based on why they don’t play Monk, but then still don’t play Monk when the changes are brought through. This is why the old unique monk playstyle was changed; to make the class more traditional, and why we won’t get the old playstyle back; people who like monk are too few to make their voices heard.
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I hate that you’re right because it makes me sad but yeah, they gave emminence to disc priests and called it atonement, and chi to H pallies and called it holy power (and a worse version of it at that) and took away the arcane style mana management with tea stacks. Now we are just holy priest 2.0 and it’s heartbreaking.
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Shadowlands launches in two weeks so I think it’s safe to assume mistweavers aren’t getting any major changes from what they are now.
The best we can hope for at this point is a re-design of clouded focus legendary like Tear got recently. Everything else will probably just be minor tuning changes.
Maybe next expansion.
Neither the spheres even though they were promised
just lies
never got a blue post for MW
Sadly, I don’t think they’ll ever give us anything like the playstyle a lot of us fell in love with.
They carved out the parts that did work and distributed them to healers that were missing something to feel solid, and the design we’re left with feels like a laughable shadow that doesn’t feel great.
Look at the stats we value most. Crit and Vers. Some classes value crit highly because of how crits interact with their playstyle, we don’t, it’s simply just better throughput. Vers is a stat that Blizzard has previously stated is a supplementing stat and shouldn’t find its way to top value for anyone.
I love this class thematically. I can see where Blizzard figured out the direction players took the class wasn’t where they wanted to go, but the resulting rework has left the spec feeling fundamentally >wrong<, and is commonly abandoned in favor of other healers to main.
I’d like to comment that we’ll hopefully receive another much-needed rework, but this coming expansions level of development engagement on the forums (where they actively request feedback) has taken any hope of that from me.
At this point, I think my argument for a red-mist quest similar to the green-fire warlock quest is more likely.
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A red-mist Chi-Ji customization would be awesome! I think that was mentioned when monks first came out but they abandoned it because red=bad and they didn’t want people to get confused lol.
./points@Light of the Martyr
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There have been changes in response to feedback? Genuinely.
ATotM is literally a stronger eminence, it’s just weird because of the EF requirement (but EF is such a mainstay of the the rotation it would be a high uptime buff anyway).
The WoD playstyle (and especially the MoP playstyle) was unlikely to ever come back simply because that would be a very visible declaration that Blizzard failed the design over two expansions.
A few other things.
Disc priests had atonement before monks released. It was added to the class in Cata.
Similarly, Paladin had Holy Power added in Cata; before monks existed
Mostly bug fixing if I had to guess (you could stretch Chi-Ji as a response to the request for a mastery change, which would fit the… underwhelming character of class changes for SL)
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Oh look, its the “ACKSHUALLY” guy. Yes, I’m aware that disc had atonement and H pallies had holy power. I assumed the average reader would understand what I was referring to in terms of class design. You say it’s admitted failure to return us to our previous playstyle but isn’t that EXACTLY what H pallies got? And they didn’t even ask for it! A return to H power builder spender they never wanted. So that argument doesn’t hold weight.
H Pally spellbook didn’t largely change between when it had holy power and when it didn’t, they didn’t have to tear out most of the spec in order to return the mechanic like they would with MW.
But the playstyle did.
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Aye, but only in the case of ‘there isn’t a builder-spender now’ not in the ‘every single mechanic is functionally different’ manner.
I’m not arguing bringing it back was a good change, I’m arguing that it’s not nearly the kind of reversion that bringing back WoD mistweaver would be.
So what are your thoughts on shadow priests and enhancement shamans then? Admitted failure on Blizzard’s part?
Kind of.
Both specs didn’t really lose or replace many spells, merely added new(old) ones and changed the general flow. Even the removal of maelstrom as a resource didn’t really remove much from the spellbook.
That’s so completely wrong it’s unbelievable you actualyl typed that out. Enhance: no rockbiter builder, no flametongue or frostbrand activations, stormstrike builds stacks for instant LBs and CL, WF totem returning. It’s a completely different class, and in a lot of ways it’s exactly WOD enhance reborn.
I was actually debating whether to talk about the two separately because Enhance fit better to the argument, but decided the overall was easier.
Yes, Enhance is a general admittance of failure; likely because Enhance has been the black sheep of shaman specs for at least most of BfA.
Though, to bring this all back to Mistweaver; I’ll explain my bias.
In MoP and WoD, I hated chi. Absolutely despised the resource. It either felt like you were never able to get enough, or that you had so much generated that it didn’t matter anyway. It never felt like I was getting better at playing, just that my stats finally got to the point where the gameplay wasn’t frustrating.
For me personally, the Legion change was a breath of fresh air (tempered by the loss of the fun uplift shenanigans that made up HFC/SoO/EndTierMW); at least until it was quickly found out EF was the highest mana efficiency heal and spamming the spell was essentially the main gameplay loop, longest tier of my life.
Point is, I’ve actually enjoyed the current Mistweaver; so I am naturally predisposed to oppose the idea of reverting the spec to WoD.
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Nothing will ever change my mind that Blizz intended a monk rework for Shadowlands, but saw they didn’t have enough time and scrapped it. Makes some sense, as monk is a least played class. Still, I believe they wanted to include a hybrid old/new mistweaver like they did with other classes. But in the end, they added the work they had and called it a day. This is what we have now. It’s by no means a cohesive and intentional design, just a practical compromise given their time schedule.
Have you actually played hpally since it’s changes? On beta or live? It feels awful currently. So yea hpal got all this stuff back but it feels really bad to play. Our current MW play style is super fun. I’ve said it before but if they brought old MW (wod/mop) into M+ it would fail horribly in doing any of the harder content. So I’m glad that they won’t be adding that play style back into the game. Atm MW is strong in both raid and keys. If you want the old MW playstyle play disc priest, a lot of people who played MW back then say it feels similar to it. Also disc is gonna be really good in raid first tier.
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