Minimum ilvl

Oh :100: percent. I think this will be an easy season and they are giving it as a freebie to send off Dragonflight.

TWW will probably start off rough to compensate.

I haven’t been following lately, but I keep hearing similar things to this.

Is this comparing S4 M0 difficulty to S3 M+10?

Because that makes sense, that’s just bumping up the difficulty to remain relevant with the new gear becoming available (probably more than usual, but still).

If you mean S4 M0 is the same as S4 M+10 (with no affixes) then that’s just braindead design, so I assume it’s the former, and it makes me wonder why Blizzard chose to word it that way, as it seems to have caused nothing but confusion.

Actually, probably not even a weird amount. Blizzard made the ilvl range in a given season longer last season, or 2 seasons ago, right? Then that means any adjustments to account for gear have to be larger than they would have been in the past.

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You will get 40 iLVL+ upgrades from running heroics. You can probably run M0 at that iLVL as long as people do mechanics.

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I see it more as a Season 3 to Season 3. Not that Season 4 M0 will be the same as Season 3 M10.

More like “In a given Season’s M10”, therefor proportional to what Season 4 M10 would’ve been.


did season 3 get nerfed cause I just looked up some friends that could barely clear 15’s in season 1 when I was doing +20 and now they are doing +25 in season 3

This remains a queueable experience.
The tuning and rewards of this difficulty are increasing to the equivalent of a +10 dungeon with affixes in the current system.
There are no timers, affixes, or limitations on changing specializations or talents while in the dungeon.
The goal is to create a mega-dungeon like difficulty for this experience. This difficulty should present a meaningful challenge and provide commensurate rewards without the pressures of the current Mythic+ system.
Mythic 0 is still on a weekly lockout under this model

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Nerfed, no. But it was probably the easiest tuned season we’ve ever had


Yep. 8-10 from Season 3, to be specific, minus affixes.

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What spec? maybe they got buffed, or had a good Tier set.

wait heroics are going to give 476 gear?
I wonder if this weeks vault will give rewards based on this new ilvl increase or if it will give previous patches ilvl.

I read the article I think heroics are going to give 450ish gear since that’s what the previous mythic 0 gave

Previous and won’t be able to be upgraded. Ie will be season 3 gear…
Season 4 gear won’t be until next week
In vault


What if you came back after season 1 and were in 300ish ilevel? :open_mouth: World quests give 450ish ilevel and zone events even better.

im resto druid

I meant your friend who got better :stuck_out_tongue:

The raids got easier through the season.

I haven’t seen much confusion outside the forum but I understand it.

They are referring to the same season.

I definitely think the new M+ design might have some teething problems, they choose the right season to test this out.

100% 476

(Look at S4 end of dungeon reward)


I’ll put it this way. Mythic raiders are 488+

Season three was extremely inflated. Timers were also extremely friendly

20s felt like 15s

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ah thank you the article I read didn’t have that nice chart

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Don’t forget they’re removing the timers for M0, tat will go a long way to help returning players.

M0 never had timers. The whole removing timers line is PR BS. (That has mostly served to cause confusion.) They are trying to claim that bumping M0 difficulty and rewards to M10 is the same as removing timers from low keys while conveniently forgetting M0 has a weekly lockout.

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