Honorspy’s not showing enough on my server for a bracket one spot to show up. I’ve been reading that the calculation is:
Player_count * 0.003
That means the first slot should be at 167. Can anyone with experience confirm this?
there are 56k pvp’ers on your realm?
The minimum number for a bracket 1 slot is 333. Every 333 beyond that is one additional slot, and so on.
The math shows it rounds up at 167. 167 * 0.003 = 0.501, which should round to 1. I know in general it’s 330, but the math should round up to maintain a ratio every other 330 or so.
660 * 0.003 is 1.98. So, if there are two slots at 660 it rounds up.
You need something like 340. There’s some exact math and I forget the exact number but it’s something like this.
Yeah you got the answer already I have no clue why it wasn’t loading… so I’m confirming 
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That’s not how it works, though. You don’t just round up. What happens is that when you reach a bracket 1 slot, it’s going to take one of the slots from bracket 2 away. If you did that at 167, there’d be no bracket 2 slot, which does not happen. There has to be at least one bracket slot in the bracket beneath. That means you need enough people in the pool to have both a bracket 1 slot and a bracket 2 slot.
No, you still have enough slots for Bracket 1, you just can’t get max rank points if you use every bracket 1 slot.
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Every bracket 1 slot is “used.” That’s how the system works… it’s going to place people in brackets based on their honor earned for the week.
Here’s the math. Bracket 2 is 8 out of 1,0000, which gives 0.008. 167 * 0.008 = 1.336, which should give one bracket 2 slot.
Can’t include links, but MMO Champion has the ratios listed at Classic wow pvp system In depth guide and discussion.
Right, but you don’t just create the number of bracket slots by taking the percentiles and multiplying them by the total participants. That doesn’t happen. The percentiles add up to more than 100% if you do it that way, so the way the system works is by subtracting the total number of the higher bracket slots from the lower bracket slots.
Let me explain. Go all the way down to Bracket 13 (second lowest bracket). That is the top 84.5% of honor earners.
167 * 0.845 = 141
Now do Bracket 12. Top 69.7%
167 * 0.697 = 116
But wait, 116 + 141 > 167. That’s not possible.
There can’t be more Bracket 12 and 13 slots than total participants combined!
So what the brackets ACTUALLY look like with 167 is this:
Bracket 1: 0
Bracket 2: 1
Bracket 3: 2
Bracket 4: 3
Bracket 5: 4
Bracket 6: 7
Bracket 7: 10
Bracket 8: 11
Bracket 9: 17
Bracket 10: 18
Bracket 11: 21
Bracket 12: 22
Bracket 13: 25
Bracket 14: 26
It depends on how they’re calculating bracket sizes and rounding in the code. It all depends on how whoever coded the calculation based on percentiles given by the designers. I would assume it takes your standing out of the total, and assigns a bracket based on a look up table of values given to the coder from the designers.
Something like that, probably, but the point still stands that you have to divvy up the brackets into percentiles.
You can’t just take the total pool size and multiply it by 0.3% to determine the number of bracket 1 slots.
The only reasonable explanation I could see for 167 pool participants creating a Bracket 1 slot is if Bracket 2 took a slot from Bracket 3, so there was 1 slot in each Bracket. After which the 333 per Bracket 1 slot math applies?
Unfortunately, I have no first hand experience with honor pools that small and I’m not about to go test it out myself on some dead realm.
The point is a ratio should hold. Depending on how the math is being done statistically, I believe it’s possible to have an extra slot or two than the actual amount of players, because of rounding.
I just know Honorspy lists a B1 slot at 167, and so does the Honor Calculator. (The honor calculator mentions losing out on rank points if you fill every slot for your bracket. On essentially a dead pvp realm I don’t know if that loss matters for the remaining people finishing the grind)
Like Ironchain said - there’s no real other way other than trying it out and seeing what happens the following week at this point. Even on a dead pserver I never saw a pool quite that small.
There’s conflicting information out there. I asked Grummz, the lead designer, and he would not answer probably because of ndas.
I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean.
My only guess is that this is a reference to overfilling the bracket such that the people in Bracket 1 have the same honor as Bracket 2 (or the gap is very small).
This is because of how RP is calculated. Standing one gets the full 13k RP. Everyone in Bracket 1 earns RP up to 13k depending on the percentage of honor earned from the ceiling of Bracket 2 to WS1.
WS1 - 500k honor
Bracket 2 Ceiling - 400k honor
If you get 490k, you got 90% of the extra 1k RP, so 12,900 RP. I don’t know if that’s the exact formula, but it gives you an idea of how the system works.
So if you fill every Bracket 1 slot with people all stacked at 500k, and some prat comes in and tries to sneak into Bracket 1, gets 499.99k, that number gets much smaller, and everyone in Bracket 1 will get less RP because their percentage of that difference is now smaller.
As for just filling every Bracket 1 Slot giving you less RP? That’s nonsense. We filled all of our Bracket 1 slots just fine in both of my rank 14 grinds.
If it’s 167 to unlock your Bracket 1, then it’s simply taking a slot from Bracket 3 and putting it into Bracket 2 just so Bracket 2 isn’t empty when the Bracket 1 slot is created. While possible, I’ve never seen it, because our pool sizes are usually in the 5 digits even now in Phase 6, and perhaps the 333/Bracket 1 math only applies after the first.
It’s usually about 333, but because of rounding it’s about every third 333 you get an extra slot at higher player counts.
My understanding is there’s a total max amount of rank points everyone stacking can earn. That honor calculator just mentions having to reduce the brackets by one or else you get slightly reduced rank points from stacking. I’m guessing it pulls the average down, between everyone stacking.