Midnight Talanji

That does include Dragonflight you do know that right? Why do you keep resorting to “for all” statements that can be easily proven wrong?

Shaw shows up for one questline. I do not consider that “everywhere”.

This is the problem with you doom and gloom people. You have to lie to make a case. I agree that the Horde not having proper representation sucks. But no need to say, “this npc that shows up for 1 questline, which is the epilogue of the zones story means they appear everywhere in the zone”.

Seriously, grow up.

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The point is, I think, is that Shaw shouldn’t have shown up at all. Should’ve been just horde characters dealing with the situation in Undermine, since it’s the faction that rountinely deals with the goblins more than the alliance does

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By the time Shaw shows up, Gallywix is dead. His Darkfuse have either ran away or “turned over a new leaf” via the Darkfuse solutions rep.

Shaw showing up to respect one of his dead agents by helping fulfill their final wish by spreading their ashes is too much for some people?

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And why do you keep trivially nit picking when anyone can see that it does nothing to change the point. I mean, from Googles AI description of Anduin and Dragonflight…
“While not an active participant in Dragonflight gameplay, Anduin’s absence is a recurring theme with characters like Shaw and Genn Germane discussing his need for a time to heal.”
It is obvious that Anduin is a recurring, multipatch, theme spanning years.

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And why do you keep doubling down on what is obviously a lie?

You had to move the goalposts from “all expansions”, to “all expansions in the last 7 years”.

oh wow, yes please continue

They have one discussion at the start of the expansion during the prepatch stuff which you can avoid as it is an opt in “stay awhile and listen” conversation. And even then, that is for alliance characters only. How is that a recurring theme? Almost like you should not trust AI summaries.

Also nice edit removing the comment of referring me as a troll.

At thar point, I wasn’t sure you were troll, but just under the illusion that looking for techincal errors is an effective way of making a point.

But now I have to be aware that you probably are. I don’t feed trolls.

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Ah yes, because calling people out for lying = trolling.

Why are certain people so sensitive lately? Do not use “for all” statements if they are obviously and clearly wrong. And do not move the goalposts because you got called out.

I mean you had to rely on an AI summary for gods sake to try and make a point.

That is the problem I have. If you have a problem with something, that is fine. Express why you have a problem with it. Just don’t make up false claims like “Shaw is everywhere in a goblin patch”. Even though he showed up to pay respects to one of his agents in the zones epilogue. (This is for everyone here).

As I said before, I agree that the Horde not getting representation lately does suck. As someone who likes to play both sides for the story, it bothers me a lot. But please, stop with the false claims and over exaggerations.

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Yeah, for some it is. Not that I blame them for feeling that way. I certainly understand the frustration behind the sentiment

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But why? Do they want Shaw to be some heartless boss or something? Shaw showing up in the Undermine epilogue is a case where it makes sense for a character to make an appearance. Renzik was one of his best agents. Showing respect is bad now?

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I think it’s mostly because, I could be wrong, but Renzik wasn’t necessary. The character hadn’t done anything of note for 20 yrs, and suddenly blizz tried to make him out to be way more important than he actually was.

So, it was just more pointless alliance content that didn’t really need to be there. That seems to be where the frustration is coming from

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tbh I like it when Blizzard takes obscure and forgotten about characters and try to build them up. Regardless of what side they are from. Provided it makes sense. Mainly because they rarely do it in the first place.

I mean Renzik, being the only goblin in SI:7 clearly had a story to tell. So in a patch that focuses on goblins, why not include the mystery that is Renzik?

There are times where I wished certain characters would show up when they should’ve. Such as Javan Grimtotem. Why isn’t he in the game yet? Where was he when his bro Baine was being imprisoned by Sylvanas?

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Using mistakes to call people liars? Ad hominem attacks are part of trolling.

Using insults to keep people mad? Trolling

Ignore the main point and most of the arguemuents. Trolling.

Don’t feed the trolls.

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I would say doubling down and moving the goalposts while still being wrong is an example of lying.

So… wouldn’t you calling me a troll be an example of this?

Like what you are doing now?

For someone who says, “I don’t feed the trolls”, you sure seem to be feeding those you consider to be trolls.

I can give that a try right now! Thanks.

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They have added it to the pull down menu.

I haven’t done iota of undermine. I was going purely off of what people have posted here.

Shaw should not have been involved.
Alliance goblin shouldn’t have been involved.

Apparently gallywix is the only formerly horde goblin who ever returned to undermine since cataclysm.

Do you know how insane that is?

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Typical Dreadmoore

He wasn’t outside of gathering Renziks things and spreading his ashes. By that point the Undermine story was basically over with.

Why? Why shouldn’t the only alliance goblin be included in a goblin focused story?

Because he was a literal nobody that’s why.

The playable goblin and the rest from Kezan that Gallywix basically tried to enslaved had legitimate reasons to want to see Gallywix taken down.

Y’all would’ve been fine with the alliance not being important for a single patch.

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So it is a bad thing if Blizzard wants to give story to obscure and forgotten characters when it is relevant to do so?

I agree that they should’ve been involved.

This isn’t a case of “X or Y”, we could’ve and should’ve had both.

I feel the root cause is Blizzard wanting to stick to neutral quests as much as they can.

Because far more relevant goblin characters had legitimate grievances with Gallywix and deserved to get more screen time over Renzik

Renzik wasn’t important enough to be there

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