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Ragnhild had done work on the patrons tab. She received 3 Glimmer Knowledge which advertises to provide 2 knowledge each. 3x2=6 6 new knowledge +94 =100… Not WOW addition, Ragnhild end count was: 94 + 6 = 95… Also noticed on my Alchemist and Inscriptionist.
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Ok, what’s Ragnhild‘s question ? Cause Kaladnei here has no idea what that paragraph was for.
The same as Tailoring - people aren’t getting the proper KP in some professions and no communication to the player as to why.
Yeah my JC says it’s behind like 17 points and I barely get a Flicker patron order once every 3 days. I thought they were supposed to be daily until the catchup remaining was less than 10.
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Ok then, Ragnhild, on reset you should do the following: On logging after reset go get the crafting quest. Then go to your table. IF you see flickers (the +1KPs), you ONLY do THOSE. WOs with glimmers (+2 KPs) lasts like 7 days. Leave them there. DO NOT TURN IN THE CRAFTING QUEST. Do NOT go searching for the KP treasures. Do the flickers and that is IT for the day.
Day after that, again if you see a flicker, same thing. Rinse an repeat until one of two things happens. Either there is no flicker that day or it’s the day before reset. NOW will be the moment to do the glimmers/treasures/turn in the quest. If you do that, you will get the maximum you can get in a week out of the catchups.
I know you want to do it on reset! It is very tempting, but it is a trap.
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The point where is stops depends on how many weekly points you have for that profession. This is different for different professions.
For jewelcrafting, that number is 19.
This is because your weekly points are:
*3X 2 kp glimmers every 4 days. Since you get this twice a week (usually), that works out to 12 kp
*Then you have 2 treasures that give 2 kp. 2x 2 kp = 4 kp
*Last, you have your crafting order quest, which gives you 3 kp.
That totals 19. 12 + 4 + 3 kp. So once you hit that number, however you did it, no flickers. If you decreased the pool of points with weeklies, you are sol. You need to wait for the following week to get those catch-up points. Hopefully you’ll hold off on doing your weeklies (in the list above) until you finish getting catch-up.
It shouldn’t be a trap!!!
Where is this procedure documented by Blizzard?
Why can’t the game just catch us up without a “trap”?
I had no idea this is how it worked for crafters. wow this is terrible.. for gathering you have to do the weeklies to be able to collect the catchups but apparently for crafters its the opposite and locks you out from getting your catchup. make it make sense. 
this coming resets I’ll try these tips and hopefully start being able to make up for patron orders I couldn’t do. I think I was able to do very little with alchemy this week due to glimmers being locked behind soulbound patterns I didn’t have, and a couple other professions struggled too to get anything kp-wise from orders.
The problem is that I tried doing it that way and I didn’t get the catch-up items. And then I got an order for a recipe I couldn’t buy in order to get 2KP, so I got double-screwed this week.
Why not just give tailors the proper numbers instead of this stupid “don’t do it on Tuesday” mechanism?
Thanks for all of the info, pretty informative.
Turns out I got a little bit of catchup today in the form of a 4th 2-pointer, and Myu’s now only shows me 6 behind, so it’s possible it was already displaying the knowledge expected from today’s for some reason. Doesn’t quite account for me being at 19 a day or so ago but it’s a lot closer to what I’d expect now.
Sigh.
The question was “why am I not getting flickers when myu’s tracker says I should”
That’s what I answered. I would like to point out that a) you were never supposed to see the value that Myu’s tracker is giving you, and it doesn’t mean what you think it means. And b) even if you do all your weeklies first, that doesn’t mean you catch-up. Even if you do all your weeklies last, that doesn’t mean you catch-up. Eventually everyone catches up no matter what they do. Doing your flickers first is just a way to make you catch up faster than just doing things randomly.
So, let’s say you did some patron orders and your crafting order quest first.. that means you stop getting flickers mid week. Let’s say it stops on Friday. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, you don’t get flickers. Ok? So you get them Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday the next week. You still get the points.
The system is actually really good, if you’ll just stop being so outraged for just a sec here.
What this means is that every kp thing you do is completely flexible.
Oh no, couldn’t find that 1 kp treasure? No problem, it will return to you as a flicker catchup the following week.
Oof, that 2-kp patron order is demanding too many things? No problem, it will return to you as two days of flicker catchup the following week.
Oh, you don’t like that flicker order? No worries, it will keep giving you orders until you run out of points in your pool. That means if you are 5 points behind, you can pick and choose any of the 5 that you see in the week that you want to do. And being able to choose what you want to do means you can now look at patron orders as a source of gold and resources rather than a source of frustration.
Here’s an example:
Start of the week, JC, I am at 22 points “behind” according to this accursed tracker that is giving all of you so much FOMO. I see I have 3 glimmer orders and 1 flicker order. You pick up, but do not turn in your crafting order quest. You see, oh, this flicker order requires 10 gemdust. You say “GO FISH!” and you just don’t bother doing that order.
The next day, you still have those 3 glimmer orders (they last 7 days) and you have a new flicker order. You see that it only requires a bit of glass and provides the gemdust. You might even snatch some of that gemdust with resourcefulness, aren’t you clever? So you do that flicker. Myu tells you that your “catch up” is now 21.
The next day’s flicker order is also bad, so you skip it
The next day’s flicker order, yes, everything provided. So you do it. Now you’re at 20.
The next day’s flicker order is ok, so you do it. Now you’re at 19. Once you hit this value, you know you have no more flickers to get, so you do all your glimmers, you turn in your quest. Also, when the timer expires, you should get another refill of glimmers. Then you get your treasures and then you get to 0 “catch up”.
This system allows you to consider ANY and all kp activities as completely optional and flexible.
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So, the value in Myu’s is NOT catchup. It’s a pool of points which includes a) catchup flickers and b) your weekly knowledge. The pool is reduced by doing either.
I don’t use addons to track kp at all. there is no FOMO other than I know there are glimmer orders that could not be done in previous weeks, but because I did glimmer orders this week that I was able to actually do, it caused me to not get catchup flicker orders.
it’s not flexible if you have to ignore glimmers until the end of the week in order to actually access flicker orders. doing things as they as they come up, isn’t doing things “randomly” but can apparently screw you. I’m not sure how that’s not supposed to be unnecessarily complicated and confusing. for those already “in the know” sure it makes sense to you because you’ve known about it for years. but for those who don’t know, no its not obvious what was going wrong with the crafting catchups.
it’s really hard to be thankful for tips when some people can be so condescending about it.
I answered a person wondering why their tracker was “wrong”.
You’re assuming that I’m being condescending, but I’m just explaining how things work. Not sure how you read that as condescending, but if you felt that I was being condescending then I apologize.
it because words on screen do not translate to how they would actually be said aloud.
language such as “sigh” and “fomo” etc don’t come across very well. everyone is guilty of this at times. me too. especially because I am really frustrated that I thought I was doing what I needed to do to get the max crafter kp, but wasn’t.
I don’t think I am behind very many kp, and its still early on to course correct. my alchemist is behind the most because she kept getting hit multiple weeks in a row by soulbound recipes. (a whole other can of worms.. I saw that in the last couple days at least 1 of those has been fixed to not be soulbound anymore so maybe I’ll actually stand a chance of getting ahold of that one.) and she received very very few kp from work orders all this week, as in just 1 or 2. I don’t think any of my others are as behind as the alchemist is.
I am appreciative of the knowledge you’ve shared; I’m just not in the right frame of mind right now to express it very well and I apologize too for that. I hope going forward things will be better.
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Hold up…
Doesn’t the bolded statement contradict what you and the other people told me last week? Even today someone said “don’t do the weeklies first” and now you’re saying that even doing THAT mechanism won’t help.
Why not just admit that Blizz screwed this up? Contradictory information doesn’t help.
The sigh was more like “oh dear, things have gotten misinterpreted”.
But anyway, the thing I’m trying to convey is that you don’t have to worry about being caught up. Knowing how it works or not, either way you’ll get caught up.
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I did get to the meaningless zero this week on the tailor. Dunno how long it will last. One glimmer order I cannot do and back to baiting flickers I go. And the is also that time of the mouth situation where I will not get the usual amount of glimmers in a week. Will have to fix with several days of flickers.
I also got to 0 on several professions, but… Tbh I prefer getting flickers. You never know when there will be an order with tons of stuff for me to steal! Stole some sunfire silk and gems and copper ingots today and it was glorious.
Also I want to say they have fixed that divide by 4 issue by giving you an off cycle batch. Not certain yet. Haven’t seen enough cycles. But you may be pleasantly surprised.
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