Can someone with beta access give me a small TLDR of what boomy will play like compared to current? Wowhead talent text is making me have an aneurysm
Eclipse is now a button you press rather than a passive based on the 2 casts of wraith or starfire. Eclipse is better in midnight.
No other real huge changes to be honest, a few talents swapped around. Nothing super interesting\new. Mastery changed so you dont need to moonfire\sunfire to get mastery.
So its the same old same old, cast 2 dots, cast wraith and starsurge. But instead of automatically being in eclipse you pool resources then click eclipse and dump astral power
Much worse IMO. At least Eclipse system was intuitive. Now its a maintenance button
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Eclipse currently has like a 90 something percent uptime. Its nothing special, it doesnt interact with anything you dont really plan around it at all. At least now it functions like colossus smash where you pool and dump with it. My opinion obviously but i dont think its worse than now.
What is the difference between Eclipse and Celestial Alignment?
yea lots of people are wondering why celestial alignment exists anymore. But the only difference comes from the stat boost.
I always preferred convoke anyway.
Hell maybe bring back full moon since nobody has played it in 8 years. Might spice up the wrath\starsurge playstyle. I would be surprised if the rework is finished yet to be honest.
I don’t understand why we have to have eclipse AND celestial alignment. Like they pretty much do the same thing. Just get rid of eclipse and give us more charges of celestial alignment. Like why are getting two of the same button.
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Celestial alignment is more a big cooldown that interacts with a few other passives that treat it like a once every 2 minute thing (so those passives give it significant buffs to main stats\starsurge reductions) while eclipse is kind of core rotation 60% uptime thing on a low cooldown like most colossus smash like spells with burst windows that has a ton of passives that are built around the dump window. So its more than likely celestial alignment will just get removed and eclipse will stay.
but you are correct its so dam stupid that eclipse doesnt just work like celestial alignment and we have to make sure the previous cast was either wraith for single target or starfire for aoe. Its dumb it should just be a generic dump blizzard just didnt design balance well in this rework its rushed
May be pessimistic but it sounds like they tweaked with something that didn’t need tweaking with…. for basically no reason.
I’m assuming that now you’ll basically be outside of eclipse by default and then you wanna hit eclipse and dump spells in said window?
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Its not special, but it was interactive and like i said, intuitive. Well, was.
It may not be better or worse off than it has been, but treating it like CS for example makes it 100% useless. Ive never been of the mind of “just remove Eclipse then”…but in its current state (beta), get rid of it and just bake power back into the abilities
I’m not sure if CA or Eclipse is better.
Goes down to, do you want to press a button more often, but less impactful, or one not as often and more impactful?
If they remove eclipse from balance druid all you would do is spam wraith and starsurge while keeping dots up nothing else and once every 3 minutes pop cooldowns.
At least with eclipse its a pool resource\eclipse into dump resources playstyle. Balance druids core is just so boring.
There is a talent brings two charges to C.A Whirling Stars unless that too was removed. I’ve not seen the latest builds yet. Also has some sort of redux with keep of the groves talent Potent Enchantments.
I thought the goal was to simplify things, does this add more complexity to it?
Depends what you think is complex, i think the current eclipse system is stupid with its 90%95% uptime and automatically going off during casting. This is them fixing eclipse, outside of that balance druid is one of the easiest casters rotation wise anyway.
Its not super complicated its basically a arms warrior if arms warrior had 2 abilities and colossus smash while keeping up the instant cast dots.
But you are correct another option would be just get rid of eclipse fully. but that would leave the most dull rotation ever.
Looking at the wowhead article https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-survival-guide-for-midnight-beta-changes-you-need-to-know-379208#warlock
And looking at balance druid section, its hard for me to think they are done working on it.
Starlord to me add some complexity to the spec, but overall its pretty simple. The new Elune’s Challenge seems to be addressing this. Though some feedback I’ve seen say it its counter intuitive and has a conflict with talents.
I’ll have have to test it out myself here this weekend maybe.
Yea its depressing, the core rotation is really flat…. super super flat.
In my opinion i was really hoping they would merge sunfire\moonfire and bring back new moon baseline doing legion damage. Would speed up wind up time and at least add in some interesting ability outside of the 1 builder\ 1 spender in single target. Maybe lets us move and cast with full moon.
However i dont mind the new pooling gameplay, at least its something more interesting. I would prefer them just removing celestial alignment and just leaving convoke, maybe make it so incarn is a RNG proc when you cast eclipse.
I guess the new eclipse system it could be considered not as complicated since you dont need to starfire in order to go into single target eclipse.
Full moon coming back to Legion damage levels would be pretty sweet. Having the moons and fury of Elune both would also be pretty cool. Moon lazes and dropping moons on enemies sounds awesome!
I wonder if they went back to the empowerment style if it would help spice up the spec more. I do think Eclipse and or C.A need to be looked at, having both just seems like idk having two of the same ability. Not a 100% copy but quite close.
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I don’t think they will bring it back unless they prune some abilities we already have. To me merging moonfire and sunfire would make sense the most
Yea full moon could change to solar sun crash or something if you are in eclipse solar or full moon for lunar.
I think moonfire if it was just the one dot they could make it so you can get a ring process to turn your next moonfire into a sunfire or insect swarm.
Honestly lots of fun things they could do outside of wraith and star surge spam being the best for PvP and pve for another expansion
I think I still preferred the BfA empowerments in practice, though I love the Midnight Eclipse in theory. The problem with the latter? Over-abundance! 2 stacks of Incarn and 2 stacks of Eclipse is ~90% uptime. And, so, not much has changed, except the loss of Renewal and Warrior of Elune. I still think the direction is good, but I wish more general abilities were on choice nodes with passives (e.g. Stampeding Roar) and that there was slightly more baked into the rotational abilities themselves, as opposed to modifying them with burst cooldowns.
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