Midnight Beta same DoT problems

Hi all,

not sure if I’m missing something, but don’t we still have the same dot management issues for both Destro and Affliction?

  • For Destro we have Cata at a 30 second cooldown with immolate only lasting 21 seconds. We can extend with CDF but was hoping for something better.
  • For Affliction the dot spreaders seem to be terrible and you end up having to maintain agony on packs just like live.

Midnight doesn’t seem to be much different from live with how you have to manage dots, would be nice to have something in the ballpark of spriest with 2 charges or something for cata, or how they had it with conflag adding immolate to the target. I really want to play lock in midnight but am not a fan of the same manual dotting as live due to talents that should be updated.

What are everyone’s thoughts on this?

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So you want dots to be weaker by removing gcd load for applying them? Because thats the exact tradeoff for applying them more easily.

Which pushes affliction into a target cap ideal circumstance, low target cleave mid, single target awful monstrosity. In terms of dot as a portion of output.

Given that >5-8 target count is the vast minority of content, and an even smaller portion if you exclude the top end of m+, designing a dot spec around applying its dots easily to 5+ targets and maintaining 100% uptime, you’re just asking for psychic link / lavaburst ascendence gameplay. The dots are going to be pitiful, and malefic grasp is what warlock has been on for the past few expansions.

You don’t need 100% uptime on 5+ targets as hellcaller destro you can manage the 3 highest ehp targets easily enough and just let cata refresh on more targets before malev windows. If you have excessive globals to cast while moving you can throw out extra wither refreshes but its not the end of the world if the targets with <80% ehp in a pull happen to receive 20% less damage from you.

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Can’t speak for destro, but the change you’re missing for aff is that having agony on everything is just not as important without malefic rapture. You don’t need it on everything, you just need enough to maintain your shard gen. The double agony application talent accomplishes this well enough.

I wouldn’t mind seeing two charges of Cata with a way for dot extension. Channel Demonfire does currently, but I’m not sure what builds we have going into Midnight.