Oh man windows 11 may actually be a reality just as many people kept predicting over the years
June 24th will be a Microsoft big announcement so hopefully they tell us what’s going on soon
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Thought they were done with new OSes.
Guess they cant get away from the money for upgrades. Ugh.
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I’m more than happy to pay for a new OS, just stop taking away my power to disable things, so sick and tired of options/toggles being removed so that we can’t customize things to be how we want them.
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I hope Microsoft makes use of the opportunity presented by a new major revision to get a fresh start without all of the cruft it’s been dragging along to maintain compatibility with the past 2-3 decades of software and hardware. I think it’d be reasonable if they limited backwards compatibility to somewhere between 2010 and 2015, with anything older using virtualization to boot up a minimal “legacy Windows” environment for programs to run in.
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I do too, but i have a feeling it’s going to be even more restricted in that area, at least on the UI level.
At least they can’t get rid of command prompt and regedit, am i right? 
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They’ve been subtly advertising Windows 11 for a few weeks now. There is a new image out of redesigned windows logo but the shadow doesn’t reflect the full window but instead an 11 on the ground. They also just released a “slow-fi” track on YouTube of the start-up music from Windows 95, XP, and 7 that lasts for exactly 11 minutes and 11 seconds.
I highly expect during their big press event this month we’ll see it announced. I’ll just be curious to see how much has changed and if it’ll be worth considering an upgrade prior to my next computer purchase/rebuild.
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It’s software design, so I fully expect it will be like WoW. They only carry forward the worst features.
What I was getting at is that they need to cut backwards compatibility down to a bare minimum, with programs falling outside of that reduced scope requiring the virtualized Windows Legacy environment.
So for example, if you tried to open a game from 2008, instead of running directly Windows would boot up the Legacy Environment and that would be responsible for running the game. That way all of those old windows bits are contained and don’t act as a ball and chain on the development of the main OS.
Apple did this when transitioning from Mac OS 9 → Mac OS X back in the early 2000s, with the two sharing almost nothing in common. Under OS X, OS 9 programs ran under a Classic environment, so users could keep using their old programs while devs got up to speed. It let them make a clean break from the old and move forward, which is something Microsoft could really use with Windows.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749338020565483613/854514304945618954/win11-start.jpg
oh my god it looks horrible
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With all due respect, i have to disagree. This isn’t a negative to the platform and plus Windows never suffered for having legacy environment. Especially since storage space is getting more and more affordable, were at …what? 8 TB HDD and 2TB SSD running you $200 each?..
I mean for all the criticisms landed against Windows 10, having legacy environment isn’t one of them.
It’s a good thing that Windows 10 is still able to play games like GTA SA, The Sims 2, Assassin’s Creed 1, Far Cry 2, 1993’s doom, Need for Speed underground 2, Roller Coaster Tycoon 1 to 3, and so much more. I seriously dislike the consoles for stifling backwards compatibly whenever it can and i rather Windows of all things, not do that because computers are susposed to be open sourced, i.e, you use it for anything or play anything on it. Especially since there’s way too many good games before and during 2008, and the ones i’ve listed are the popular ones that will be no doubt updated. What about all the others that never had an update pre 2010 even?
And yes i know you bought up virtualization, but why do i need a virtual windows to play an old game that is on windows?.. I want to play the old games on the newer platform at a better performence, better grahpcis, just plain better everything. Why would i want to use a worser version of windows just to play it?
And this isn’t even getting into how this will mess up other programs and such that have existed in 2008 but never updated, or has backward compatible tech. I mean never mind we still have apps that are 32 bit in 2021.
I can understand the comparison here, but i think it’s a little too soon for Windows to suddenly completely change from the Windows NT era. I’m no 40 year old, but i’m pretty sure Microsoft doesn’t want another Windows Me situation.
No kidding.
Classic Shell is going to have a field day of making us Classic Windows Desktop.
I also can’t wait to see how hard they will push this one like they did with Windows 10. 
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they put the freaking start menu button in the middle WTF
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what the freaking fel Microsoft who the frick thought putting the start menu at the middle was a brilliant idea?
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/Prays for classic windows desktop.
They keep on getting worse and worse with the UI, aren’t they?..
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The problem isn’t really storage, but that Windows itself has become a patched-together abomination where bugs are inscrutable and sometimes unsolvable by anything but a clean reinstall, if at all — sometimes you just have to wait and pray that your bug is on Microsoft’s radar and will get fixed soon. It’s something I’ve wrestled with recently across my various Windows boxes, and while it’s always been a bit of a problem it’s becoming worse as the distance from the original release of NT grows. My Windows 2000 (not to be confused with WinME) boxes for instance rarely had such issues, but XP, 7, and now 8/10 did and do.
The patchwork nature is most visible in Win10’s control panels, which vary in age from brand new to barely changed since Windows 95. For some tasks, you need to make a stop at 5 different control panels depending the exact nuance of what you’re trying to do. It’s terrible. Older releases of Windows, macOS, and practically every flavor of Linux out there beat modern Windows in this category.
Virtualization does not have to come with performance degradation, especially if it’s purpose-built. In fact a lot of the problems cropping up with older games running under Windows 10 even now would be entirely avoidable with a pared-down virtualized XP/7 environment, and there’s even ways that virtual machines can help old software take better advantage of modern hardware.
Virtualization is not emulation, but look at what various console emulators have done in this field — the PCS3 emulator for example can run PS3 games at 2560x1440 and even 4k, and this enhancement isn’t specific to any particular game like the various resolution hacks you might run across for PC games. You just play the game as you normally would, but oh hey now it’s running at 4k. The same kind of thing is possible with virtualization.
The funny thing here is that Windows Me was a mess precisely because management insisted on keeping the long-on-the-tooth Win9x architecture alive with WinME, when they could’ve instead taken the NT-based Windows 2000 that they had been selling to companies and retooled slightly it for the consumer market, which would’ve broken some compatibility but would’ve been a vastly better product.
Thankfully that’s a setting you can change.
Oh my GOD that looks like a dumpster fire.
Tbh i yet to come across any bugs that stop me from using Windows 10. Maybe somebody else did, but i would imagine there’s another shortcut around that. I mean, there is always a shortcut around that, like for disabling updates for example. I just disable them on this new computer because having anything install without my explicit permission while i’m doing something will just 100% the SSD.
I do think that the search bar does help to sift though some of the confusion, i’ve never had too much of an issue with that, but to each’s own, i can agree it’s cumbersome and it shouldn’t have to be categorized or shown in a confusing fashion.
To be fair though, this is coming from the fact i’ve never used them, i’m just not honestly sure if virtual windows can detect and use newer hardware the same way or at least as good as the morden hardware. There wasn’t an AMD Ryzen 7 3800 Xt and DDR4 Ram for the XP is there? Or will XP just detect those and just be okay with it? Not to mention each OS has a limit of how much ram can it uses. Heck, the 64 bit’s max supported for 2000 and XP are 64GB and 128GB. While that’s more then enough, especially considering that 128MB was the norm for games 15-20 years ago, now it’s 8-16GB today, and that number will keep going up.
Well fair enough on the last bit there.
With the latter, to my knowledge, i think only a total of 3 or so games didn’t run on windows 10, that is until either it’s been updated by the devs or patched by fan-made patches. Like Bully Scholarship Edition, that one point did indeed didn’t work for Windows 10 fully, but silent made SilentPatch and i was able to play though it 3 times at this point.
Other then those, i’ve never had an issue with my games launching or playing because of the OS i was using. Only issues that are either with the game itself, incompatible software or hardware, or that i’m offline or even online for one game.
Fair enough.
That is true that you are given the option to play at whatever resolution hack you would play on if you are to say, play a game on the PS2 on the PC with the PCXS2 emulator.
But “normally” is a bit of a stretch here since were talking about putting a console disc in the PC. Or playing a console version of the Game on PC. Because for those, there not just as simple as just installing them and that’s that, you do have to get a special program to run it first. And if you’re running discs, depending on which console you want to play on, it might be different because no CD back in those (6th gen) are the same. Not to mention, this will eat into your performance here.
And were not even going into the FPS, which that’s a hog and a half to get it to work nicely and properly without speeding up the game or breaking psychics and scripts in the game, especially since so much of them relied on frame counting for the latter and such due to the weak hardware being kept in mind for consoles. In PC, the same game i had 20 years ago that ran at 20fps and below, will now run above 120 FPS with a couple of fanmade patches now.
I was more or less sort of referring to the MS-DOS function being dropped in Me, since many of the older windows before ME did have that. It’s one of the legacy environments they have dropped that didn’t really go over that well.
That’s all well and good, but i’m still not fond of that start menu. I can barely stand the Windows 10 and 8 menu before i ended up downloading classic shell to have the old start menu back since it’s more practical for me.
They make more money selling your behavior than they do on the OS itself.
Windows 11 is a major rewrite to the CPU scheduler. M$ finally got tired of being 45% slower than Linux in CPU bound situations.
Good time for gamers, hopefully.
I think a lot of people are looking at what might be early UX designs of 11 and freaking out. Yes, Microsoft is going for a cleaner design with the new OS ie; rounded corners, fresh icons, etc. But they want to compete and people complained about 10 and its start menu, etc. So I feel we’re at a damned if you do, damned if you don’t kind of moment.
What I am most interested to see is their new take on widgets, which are supposedly returning with a fresh redesign as well as the rewrite to the CPU scheduler.
I’m excited for it. I have a new PC to put together and hopefully it releases very soon after the announcement. I don’t want to even bother installing Windows 10 on it. I’m sure I’ll hate whatever they come up with for the start menu but I’ve used Classic Shell (now Open Shell) since Windows 8. My current PC has been running Windows 10 for 5 years and it has issues that can only be resolved by reinstalling so I’m ready for something new.