Metamorphosis is too Strong. It doesn't need major nerfs, but it is definitely "too good" at the moment

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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Before you pull out Pitchforks and Torches - let me explain.

I am a full pre-raid BIS Paladin with minor Raid items. I have a Shield and full mail gear.

  • Currently without buffs I am sitting at 2,322 Armor / 47.9% Reduction.
  • I have to stop all actions to Heal myself if I needed to
  • I have to sacrifice a Rune slot to get a “single target” Taunt
  • I have absolutely no AoE Taunt - I have to rely on spells to maintain AoE Agro (Both limited range)
  • I do not have a secondary damage source or utility source via a pet

A Warlock I came up against had absolutely middle of the road level 25 gear. Some greens some mediocre blues. Definitely not Pre-Raid BIS.

  • He had 2,500+ Armor natively (unbuffed) with 49% Reduction - Buffed he had over 3,000 Armor because his Metamorph scales by % not by a specified amount like Paladin Armor. (This is busted)
  • He could cast Drain Life for no penalty
  • He had a single target and AoE taunt built into his Metamorph rune not requiring ANY extra give and take
  • He had a Pet for secondary utility and damage
  • Gets 6% Native Crit Avoidance for free

Warlocks are already one of it not the best class in Classic WoW - they are good at almost everything and with absolutely no work they are better now than “pure” Tank spec - intended tanks. Via one rune.

I think this needs to be looked at. % Based Armor increase with multiplicative stacking means they are now not only one of if not the best DPS classes in the game, one of the best PvPers in the game, but now one of if not the Best tanks in the game. The % Armor increase needs to be looked at and its insane that they get multiple taunts on top of crit avoidance all for 1 rune slot. Other classes are working 2x maybe even 3x harder just to lose to this rune by itself.

It’s too good - and in structured PvP they are unkillable gods with mediocre gear.

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i have gotten the meta rune and i can tell you the aoe taunt is 10 mins, which is insanity and idk why. Plus my friend who has done a dungeon said they have huge aggro issues, where my guild says they are mana starved and can’t keep up with long fights. I haven’t done any instance content but i am happy with world content as a tank.

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Let fun be fun. Pally dps, pvp and healing is S tier. You want to be the best at everything? If you were a warrior, okay, but a pally?

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Because thats the cd on aoe taunts in classic

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Yeah if you played it youd feel different, the threat is garbo.

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i agree nerf hunters more

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this guy gets it

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tested to be false.

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  1. the multiple is only on your base armor, it does not factor in your demon armor, armor kits, buffs,etc.
  2. drain life penalty is its mana cost, having a tank that on a long enough fight needs to tap HP away isnt the greatest
  3. AoE taunt is a 10min CD…
  4. 6% crit avoidance because its cloth and cant get it any other way unless they redesign all cloth gear in the game?
  5. [quote=“Youshouldrun-herod, post:1, topic:1732912”]
    in structured PvP they are unkillable gods with mediocre gear.
    [/quote] blatantly false, a meta lock is easier to kill than a haunt/drain one and does way less dmg.
  6. It also has a fair amount of threat issues that leads to dumping your mana bar to attempt a fix than tapping all that back
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Buffs don’t scale with the rune… You have 0 clue what you’re talking about.

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warlock meta morph isnt op, paladin tanking just feels really really really bad at lvl 25

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In my experience so far they’re the only ones that can actually hold AoE threat.

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I’m going off of what the Warlock was telling me - He said buffed he went from 2,500 armor to over 3000.

I will test this now to verify

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wait did i just read that a prot paladin thinks their AoE threat is weak compared to locks? Bruh, try playing feral druid

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Warlocks need high armor and go just like a Druid because they cannot use shields and do not have parry as far as I know. Their mitigation is almost exactly like a feral druids.

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Okay - I decided to validate the claims the other warlock was making. I found another metamorph warlock and had him get hit by MOTW and he said it only effected him for 105 armor. So maybe the first warlock was making up numbers.

I will correct my post.

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Nerf mages more so all runes are useless!

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Warlocks need nerfs, the class was already too strong in classic, they should have never buffed warlock and even less give them a tank spec, they should nerf their damage a ton while they are on meta, they should nerf the life drain rune too.

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Pally healing is actually F tier at our current bracket :frowning:

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Yeah but also they suck at threat, pretty fun for PVP tho