Meaningful loot? Only is you PvP

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The crying in BFA was that in order to PvP you had to do PvE content to get certain gear.

Now it is the complete reverse, in order to be good at PvE you have to PvP.

PvP has the ONLY “MEANINGFUL CHOICES” in gearing.

You either drive a stake in the heart of PvP gear or put a valor point system model into m+ loot where you need to get the base item and then can upgrade it.

There is nothing meaningful about loot in PvE at present. It is absurd that people are 226 ilvl purely from PvP while people who PvE are still struggling.

Something needs to be done to either nerf the absolute F%#K out of PvP gearing or buffing PvE gearing.

This isn’t meaningful.

This isn’t fun.

This is hours down the F$#king toilet for trash while watching PvPers gear up to the eyeballs.

I’m out unless there is meaningful change. I didn’t play this game to PvP.

You forcing me to do it to be anywhere near decent or competitive is a complete 180 on the problems with BFA PvP gearing.

I think the development team is pathetic.

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Agreed. Gearing is a hot mess right now.

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Buff PVE.

Don’t you dare touch PVP.

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PvE needs MOP valor/justice point system and it fixes it:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-old-solution-for-gearing-in-shadowlands/836944/

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Don’t nerf PvP, buff PvE instead. Nerfing PvP just means we don’t have any alternative, terrible or not, to get over the gear chasm that is ilvl 205+

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PvP gearing is amazing right now, its were PvP’ers have been asking for.

PvE just needs the old badge/currency system back which has vendors to buy normal/heroic ilvl gear.

The answer isn’t to nerf PvP rather Buff PvE.

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PvP gear also needs PvP Power back on every piece as a stat so its worthless in PvE.

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PvP gearing needs to be slowed down. Alot. Targeted loot system is fine. Gearing it at the rate they are is too much.

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No.

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Ya… thats going to suck for people like me who do PvP and PvE because then I will have to farm 2 different sets and double my time playing…

Lets not bring back PvP Power because it means it lowers the power of all secondary’s like haste/crit/vers/mastery because of stat allocation…

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You mean the time they are already playing doing both forms of content?

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I was really against this idea until about 10 minutes ago when I found out PVP’rs can get 210 ilvl in 1 week of only PVP.

Now I agree, if PVP gear is so easy to get it should be less effective in PVE…otherwise it makes PVP the preferred gearing path for all content

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PvP is the preferred gearing path. All my guildies are gearing their alts through PvP and their alts are outgearing some of their mains now…

So they’ve decided to PvP on their mains too.

PvP gearing is currnetly far to lucrative.

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It doesn’t. PvE needs to be buffed.

PvP has conquest cap, the first few weeks its the slowest because the cap increases by 550 each week now that cap is 3850.

Also all PvP gear has vers, so unless vers is your best or 2nd best stat most people see it as a side grade.

Which is dependent on rating. need 1400 rating to upgrade your gear to 207 ilvl, 1600 for 213, 1800 for 220 etc.

No it means if I have 213 gear from PvP I now can’t use that gear for M+ since its worthless because of PvP power and I will have to go out of my way to refarm all my slots. Which means I will need to item restore old 200 pieces IF they are able to. Its just a mess.

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You can buy ratings and according to multiple GD forum posts 1600 is easy to get

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Unrated pvp = 200
M+7 = 200
Normal raid = 200

1400 pvp = 207
M+12 = 207

1600 pvp = 213
M+15 = 210
Heroic raid = 213

1800 pvp = 220

2100 pvp = 226
Mythic raid = 226

It’s just not equal. In my opinion 1800 is equivalent to heroic raiding and m+15 is harder than heroic raiding.

Yet m+15 is less rewarding than heroic raiding and less rewarding than 1600.

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The best way for me to farm PvE gear should not be in PvP.

It currently is. PvP Power is the best solution.

PvP players wanted this new system to gear properly for PvP.

It’s impact on the PvE space is completely unfair to PvE only players.

Separate loot for separate content.

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Yeah it’s easy in RBGs.

Good Luck in 2s and 3s though.

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No. We wanted the same system that was taken away from us in Legion.

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I’m saying we need MoP justice/valor points.

They will have a weekly cap and cumulative just as PvP conquest is right now.

Meaning gearing would be as fast as PvP gearing for PvE.

They also need to buff PvE gear ilvl slightly.

The answer is not to nerf and destroy gearing in PvP which will make people miserable, rather the answer is to BUFF PvE gearing while keeping PvP the same.

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