Malfurion and Tyrande are failures

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I just can’t get into the story of BFA, especially after 8.1 where they are trying to lead the remaining night elves in a guerilla war. They have utterly failed the Night Elves as leaders and should be overthrown, and replaced with new blood. These characters are not indispensable, if Varian can be killed no reason why these 2 losers can’t be killed or at least exiled for their failure.

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Is that you ThreeSlot?

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I thought people wanted them to be guerrilla warfare experts like they were in wc3. All for killing them off tho. I never liked them.

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We can have other night elves that are not failures leading the guerilla warfare. It makes no sense why we would still follow them.

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but… tyrande and malfurion pretty much saved the world at least 3 times.
they aren’t a total failure.
everyone has to fail at least once.

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Because they did a pretty good job for 10,000 years and only have ever had real troubles for the past 10 or so. Furion practically held off the entire horde advance alone for a long time. Tyrande helped reclaim a good chunk of their land long after all their cities were wiped out.

Lets talk about maiev and her botched chase of illidan that got all her troops killed and herself imprisoned on another planet.

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What tipped you off Sherlock? The massive smoldering cinder that is their home?

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Illidan & Maiev Nelf Leader power-couple. They hate each other’s guts but I think they’d get :poop: done.

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I can’t stand either character, like, at all, but to call them failures is kind of like saying an apple makes for a good spacecraft.

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I think they’ve been really great in BFA! Did you see the Terror of Darkshore cinematic? That one always gives me little shivers. Malfurion went totally crazy on that group of Horde soldiers, in the most brutal display of druidism we’ve probably ever seen, all as Tyrande watched with wordless satisfaction through the eyes of her owl. I don’t think cinematics get much better than that!

Night Warrior Tyrande herself has been amazing too, with a great new look and fierce attitude. I especially liked how she took charge over Malfurion in the scenario leading to the Darkshore Wafront. Like, you have this literal force of nature walking around, and he’s taking orders from Tyrande! Shows the amount of trust they have in each other, and the amount of respect Tyrande commands in general.

So yeah if anything, I’m liking them more than ever with BFA! I understand your feeling otherwise, though, and you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion. Though perhaps it might feel better if, rather than mourning all the Night Elves have lost, you instead focus on how those losses opened up lots of cool new storytelling opportunities?

For instance, in an alternate universe where BFA starts off with the destruction of Stormwind, I don’t think we’d get awesome moments like in Terror of Darkshore, or even much Night Elven presence at all outside of a potential “A Little Patience”-style scenario for Anduin. So maybe the burning of Teldrassil has a small silver lining after all?

That’s my take on it, at least. Of course I’m still heartbroken about the loss of Teldrassil and destruction of Darkshore. But I think, taken as part of WoW’s narrative, these things have prominent silver linings. They’ve lead to fantastic music and cinematics, beautiful new gear and mounts, and given me a reason to revisit one of my favorite zones for relevant new content!

Anyway, got a bit off-topic there, but in summary: I think Malfurion and Tyrande are doing great! Even their failures this expansion have had a positive effect on my enjoyment of the world and story. Basically, for me, the good outweighs the bad. But I absolutely understand why you feel the way you do! So much loss definitely sucks, and can take the wind out of anyone’s sails. Just wanted to toss in my own two copper : )

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Aren’t we being a bit premature given that 8.2 isn’t even on the PTR yet?

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I think it’s because Malfurion and Tyrande were great characters in WCIII and competent leaders. Only once they were brought into World of Warcraft did their storylines begin to falter and then plummet.
I assume the people writing the stories are completely different, and the old guard was definitely more skilled at it.

I have to say though, from my observations of the Cataclysm events, I believe the two may be Tyrants and so dissension isn’t an option. While you quest in Teldrassil, you can find some other Night Elves questioning them and what they did with Fandral (who was previously a respected and also beloved Archdruid) but they do so in hushed tones and stop conversing when you approach, which gives the impression that Tyrande’s rule is never to be questioned.

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The Kaldorei live in largely a theocracy. Elune chose Tyrande as her mortal representative so there is no possible way she would be removed from power unless Elune herself willed it. Given she is now a literal avatar of Elune’s wrath that is just not happening. Malfurion is the founder of the Cenerion Circle and very deeply respected for his wisdom. I just don’t see him being removed either.

Like it or not we are stuck with them.

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meant 8.1 typo

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Lothar couldn’t stop the Horde from destroying Stormwind during the first war. Doesn’t chance the fact he was later instrumental in beating the Horde and ultimately helping reclaim Stormwind for his people.

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Okay, uh… if you’re gonna put forth “these characters are bad,” it should be supported with some reasoning and discussion as to why they’re bad. Just reiterating “they’re failures!” isn’t really an argument.

Not to mention that guerilla war you’re blaming them for ends with them reclaiming Darkshore, so…

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A little ott, but I otherwise agree. Thanks to incompetent writing, Furion and Tyrande have both looked pretty bad throughout WoW. A change in racial leaders might be what the Nelves need.

Thus, Shandris for Nelf leadership 2k19 ;D

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Varian wasn’t killed for “no reason” He got his Hero Chin death so that Anduin could become the dramatic piece of being crowned before he could reasonably be expected to be ready.

And again, the leaders aren’t supposed to solve the problems raised by any scenario. THAT’S YOUR JOB… Champion.

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I never understood why people think that killing off characters they “don’t like” and replacing them will make things better. If Tyrande and Malfurion are being “incompetent”, that is the writer’s doing. So any replacement would be just as bad in the long run so long as the writers continue to write the way they do.

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Quoting you because I’m not sure why my last comment was replying to you, it was meant for OP, sorry Hana! :open_mouth:

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