Making Warriors intentionally bad is not proper game design

LVL 50 update: In PVE, encounters favor warrior… there is even a fight where the boss takes a ton of bonus damage in execute phase. Pair that with a 30 minute CD to really skew warcraft logs. Have rogues, hunters, and to a degree shaman still out DPSing warriors even when a warrior can do more damage in the last 15 sec of a fight than the first minute of a fight. They need to address 30 minute cooldowns.

Now for PVP/open world/questing, etc. Warrior is still very bad. They really need to stop giving warriors passive damage runes that they dont need, and they need to stop giving casters burst and utility they dont need. Warriors from classic needed burst and utility. Casters needed passive damage. They got SoD backwards, and as a result warrior is pretty much unplayable outside of a raid environment. Missed the mark big time. Haha, oh look, you pummeled lava burst? Enjoy lightning bolt and a shock nearly one shotting you anyway. :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:



See those amazing warrior runes? Ooo, -3 rage on abilities. Oh baby, 20% attack speed. 2 more rage on an 8 rage swing for a total of 10 rage from Endless Rage rune? We’re cruising… not.

When they made ferals and ret paladins the top dps on some ICC fights (as seen even in recent logs post 277 gear) and then memed on warriors at blizzcon for the SoD announcement, we all knew what was coming.

In original classic, warriors were good in one situation. If you were a fury warrior, in good gear, in PVE, with raid buffs, on a PVE raid boss, with every armor debuff up, world buffs, a 30 minute cooldown (reck), you’d blow up a damage meter. The silver lining was that in PVP and openworld you were still close to, if not the, WORST spec in the game. The primary culprit here? The fact that rage removed the 19% dual wield hit penalty if you could spam heroic strike and the power of a 30 min cd. The raid environment ensured you never stopped heroic strike. Anywhere else though you were trash.

If by contrast you make say… a shadow priest or a lock do this type of damage (as we are seeing)… there is no silver lining. These were S++ tier PVP monsters already. Ever watch any PVP stuff from classic? Any tournaments, whether it be 1v1, 3v3, or battlegrounds, it was always rogue, lock, mage, and priest dominating everything. We arent in 2005 anymore. Even rank one glads on warrior were in bad shape.

Where is the love for arms warriors in SoD? Where is their version of shadow word death or chaos bolt? Just yesterday a lock in an incernate + chaos bolt did over 2650 dmg to me. If I was a warrior in berserker stance I would have taken almost 3000 damage in 2 attacks. Meanwhile mortal strike hits cloth lock for 275 at 40 with pre-bis gear on.

Devs and reddit, I am sorry that in 2019 a fury warrior in raid did something horrible to you. But intentionally making the lowest utility class and one of the weakest out-in-the-world classes just flat out terrible in every aspect of the game is bad game design. And the problem isnt boss armor. In fact, boss armor is one of the best ways to balance melee and ranged in a raid v open world environment. The problem is the warrior runes are terrible outside of the chest runes compared to what other classes are getting. You can be a warrior and struggle with a priest in warsong gulch for a solid 30 seconds until an allied caster sends 2 spells over your head and almost one shots the target you’ve been tickling for half a minute because youre basically playing at classic levels while everyone else is in wrath of the lich king.

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ITT: Warriors are intentionally bad because they’re not inarguably The Best™

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an abralan thread, i never thought i’d see you again after the gigantic freak out thread you had about warriors being bad in icc, of course you were completely wrong then and warriors ended up being the best class in the game, gonna try for round 2?

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Warriors are still TOP DEEPS 4EVER on the Era servers.

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I will happily swap our cobra strikes rune for your 20% attack speed plz

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No healing, low utility, no spammable hard cc, low damage. Youre much better off on any other class that does similar or more damage because in all cases you also have far more utility and power.

Hunter doesnt just do twice a warrior’s damage right now. They also have far more parry dodge, utility, ranged abilities, and flexibility. A ret can cleanse, hoj, bubble, heal, etc. Mana is incredibly powerful in classic. A rogue can stealth, sap, gouge, kidney, cheapshot, shadowstep(lol), vanish, and blow you up with spam mutilate. An ele shaman can do far more dmg, purge, lavaburst you into another universe, AND HEAL. Its incredible.

You basically prove the point. You hate warrior so you want it objectively bad. That isnt how you make or balance a game. Remove the class if you hate it, otherwise give it something that makes it worth playing.

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Oh look! We get to go through another thread of Abralan crying about warriors and being consistently wrong.

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Really? Logs show feral and ret as the beating warrior in some fights still lol. Imagine that, buffing a class to #1 in a classic version of the game. I was totally right and completely vindicated by warcraft logs post-ICC.

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TBH as a warrior, the only thing I would say making us bad “by design” is the fact that they gave us dog **** weapons this phase. The pvp mace is too fast AND A MACE!? The pve axe is even faster?! Feels like they want us to buy gold to afford Pendulum of Doom…

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a POD wont save you this phase. You need a total rework of your non-chest runes to be viable. Getting +2 rage on a swing and -3 rage on an ability doesnt catch arms up with other classes playing in Wrath of the Lich King. Your 275 mortal strike becoming 300 wont save you from a lock incinerate/chaos bolting you for 3000 dmg.

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I guess if you want to deny reality and warriors haven’t been number 1 every week since week 10, literally for the past 2 months, but denying reality is kind of your brand, that’s why you gave up on the other thread

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True, but this is P2 now and things have changed at least for the moment.

In last ABs Warriors been on the top with like 20++ HKs and 0-3 deaths. They are pretty OP!

Lets see… okay warcraft logs… hmm, overall, ferals are #1 right now for the last 2 weeks. Why do you lie so much? Whats wrong with you? Now if I go down and break it into specific brackets and boss fights, 95th percentile, Saurfang is #1 fire mage, #2 ret, #3 feral (LMAO), and then #4 warrior. Festergut, Feral is #1, rotface is Mage#1 feral#2, same with blood council. then Blood queen is mage, hunter, feral, and ret (LMA), same story on sindragosa. Only on lich king is warrior #1 and its by less than 1 pixel over fire mage, because of the add cleave and the fact that cleave is very strong.

So, it appears youre full of ****. Why use 95? Because the 100s and 99s bracket has cheesers and exploiters that build entire raids and strategies around fluffing their parse and the data is irrelevant. Warcraft logs is constantly changing the rules to stop Ahlaeundo from doing things like make his raid stop aoe on Algalon final phase so he can cleave it all himself.

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Warriors are a gimped class compared to everyone else. I’m going to roll a boomkin or something and hope things change. Zero fun to play right now, just sad and frustrating

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there is probably ways to make warrior more fun and different-feeling, but I don’t think their performance is that bad at least anecdotally in my gnomer adventures the warriors were performing well

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Melee Hunters dumpstering Warriors would be more funny if it was intentional.

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Kitty need to be number one because they are nice kitty

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Just reroll. Warrior might be good at 60, might not be.
This is season of hybrids. “Warrior was good in classic so it must be bad in soddy!” is the mantra repeated here and leddit for updoots.
If everyone is a melee hunter, a swd spamming spriest, a meta lock, then maybe blizz will take notice and realize their mistakes. But probably not.

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I can haz cheeseburger?

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