This is already happening with the Stonewright nonsense lol
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Trueā¦ and itās been going on long before that or even Shadowlands (the Old Gods, the origins of the Worgen, Sylvanas post-Wrathā¦)
It started around Wrath, and itās getting worse ever since.
There are things I like in the lore, and there are things I donāt likeā¦ and these retcons are chipping at the former and exacerbating the latter.
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Would Derek be better accepted as leader or no. So far heās just kinda whiny. Being dead for longer than several of the Forsaken were ever alive for could bring some unique interactions.
As Forsaken leader? No.
I would, however, like to see him get future delevelopment that goes beyond āCaliaās prince consortā. I think Dread Admiral Proudmoore ( credits to whoever came up with the title, I forgot sry ) has potential, if the writers were so inclined. But I donāt dare get my hopes up. He is probably just there because they wanted a new Proudmoore/Menethil coupleā¦
Derekās weird to me. Iāve never been a fan of the forsaken raising other people themselves because I thought a big part of their identity had been them hating what was done to them, although thatās basically a 10+ year old shift at this point so meh. Itās just hella awkward because the horde should be his Scourge analogue in this situation.
I also donāt expect him to ever get out of the shadow of being āJainaās brother.ā Itās the only reason why he had any value in the first place, and I feel like heād be the sort of character an alliance player might be more likely to care about than a horde one.
Not to mention, him, Calia and the unnelves are all just going to be permanent reminders of BFA and Iād rather lock them all in the Forget-Me Box forever, but I know thatās not going to happen.
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Thatās Tattersailās official title, so itās an actual part of the Forsaken military.
On Calia, I kind of hope that the Scarlets are actually being truthful (the reason why they say son rather then daughter is iffy, but whatever).
It would be the most Forsaken plot possible if Calia had to fight and likely kill her own child to protect them. Really showcase the Alliance support for the Scarlets after the Fourth War and it could also give her good enough reasons to not be a strictly Alliance friendly character either.
(A side point would be the fact that the Light is based on conviction, and the above plot would likely break Caliaās conviction just as surely as had happened with Arthas)
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I enjoyed reading this and your idea but in no way would i personally ever be a fan of Calia as forsaken racial leader.
Honestly someone as underdeveloped as belmont would be better.
Iāll wait and see what happens with sylvanas. Its very difficult to divorce her from the forsakenā¦ sheās in our emotes 
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If he had been a tentacle faced Davey Jones yes
We had a pirate expansion with Lovecraft themes and they didnāt make the undead captain prince into a Davey Jones
Theyāre idiots
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Oh, I know, I just thought it would be fitting for Derek, too .
And thatās why they canāt be truthful. Unless Calia is such a scatterbrain that she not only lost her child but also consused their gender 
The extent to which Caliaās presence has flipped the traditional script regarding the Forsaken on these forums will never cease to amaze me.
To me, pretty much every development regarding the Forsaken since Cataclysm has been a direct result of Blizzard trying to reinforce Forsaken (and Horde by proxy) claims to legitimacy in the Eastern Kingdoms.
In Vanilla they didnāt really talk about Lordaeron or identify as anything other than undead in any meaningful way. Suddenly in Cataclysm Sylvanas and quest NPCās wonāt shut up about it, to the point that Forsaken players get a better rundown of Alliance history than Alliance players do. All of their justifications for their actions stemmed from the notion that they needed to enforce the legitimacy of their presence on the basis of historical human borders.
I remember this being cheered on by Forsaken fans at the time, probably due to a combination of the fact that the Forsaken were winning on every front and it presented them with a more concrete identity that integrated them better into the lore of the Eastern Kingdoms.
The trouble is, that integration came with a corollary that I think most Forsaken fans at the time didnāt really anticipate, which is that the lore that they were being better integrated to was overwhelmingly Alliance dominated, not just narratively but also in character and aesthetic. A stronger connection with historical Alliance kingdoms meant that the Forsakenās relationship with the Alliance would always be under a microscope, something that can be seen by the fact that pretty much all discourse surrounding the Forsaken always ends up being about their relationship with the Alliance and with humanity more broadly.
So Blizzard had decided to give the Forsaken an identity by leaning into the āForsaken are Lordaeronā idea, but you canāt have Lordaeron led by an elf, so Sylvanasā relationship with the Forsaken would need to fracture as a result. You canāt have āLordaeronā behaving like a swarm of jerks rampaging across the continent eating people, so most established characters in the Forsaken had to be pruned because they were part of the āoldā identity.
Also hey, if theyāre Lordaeron, shouldnāt they do more Light based stuff? Make Alonsus Faol an undead and bring more Church of the Holy Light stuff to other undead. Fill their ranks with historical Eastern Kingdoms figures (most of whom had ties to the Alliance) so that their connection is stronger.
And of course, this culminates with Calia. If the Forsaken are Lordaeron, shouldnāt they be led by a Menethil? Makes sense. Itās pretty much what the loudest Forsaken fans were advocating on the forums back in the day. Make her a holy undead or something so that sheād be more Lordaeron, and also sheād have a strong relationship with other historical Alliance characters because she herself is, after all, a historical Alliance character.
So here we are today. The culmination of a transformation that the Forsaken began to undergo as early as Cataclysm that initially, Forsaken fans approved of (much to the consternation of traditional Lordaeron fans like myself.) But integrating the Forsaken better with the Alliance-dominated history of an area that is still filled to the brim with Alliance aesthetics, thematics, and characters had the predictable side effect of tying them closer to the Alliance. At this point the Forsaken have more historical common ground with the Wrynns, Muradin Bronzebeard, and Turalyon than they do with Thrall or Volājin or even Sylvanas herself. It is, after all, what vocal Forsaken fans of the days of yore had asked for, even if they didnāt realize it.
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This isnāt true btw. The best that you could say for the Forsaken re: Terenas is that they didnāt desecrate the memorial that the Alliance had set up for him and Iām disinclined to give credit to the Forsaken not ruining something for once.
Terenasā crown was brought to Stormwind by Lordaeronās refugees, and is currently buried in a humble, unmarked grave next to the Stormwind Lighthouse, facing out towards the sunset sea.
WoW is only willing to explore factions through individual characters at this point. There are any number of ways to make her fit, but it doesnāt really matter, because sheāll only dilute their identity if she is involved with the Forsaken. Even Voss is a terrible leader, sheās just the only recognizable name left because they WONāT STOP ELIMINATING THE HORDE CAST.
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As a forsaken since BC I love this concept. For one, I canāt see the forsaken not having a ruling monarch. Two, idk I liked the idea of Calia coming back to us. Yeah she seems obviously out of character being a light undead, but as you said she is still so new of a character thereās so much that can be done with her to make her a proper leader of the forsaken while still not turning into a new sylvanas.
Long live the queen.
She already is
We talk about Calia because her existence is very unusual. Turning her into another forsaken would make her boring. Valeera serves the House Wrynn but she doesnāt act like a High elf. Calia could āguideā her people without becoming one of them completely
Calia should stay Alliance, if she wants to lead her people, she should bring them to her home faction, like what Alleria did to the blood elves
A council presided by someone like Voss would make them more like a nation than āarrows on a quiverā
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I do not think Calia should ever lead the Forsaken as their new queen. I would class her as something closer to what the Naaru are.
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Right to rule also ends with dead.
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Then Sylvanas murdered the Forsakenās and Lorderaenās rightful ruler.
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Even if, no one would care.
Thankfully Calia gave her āclaimā up back in Legion.
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So why did she try to invoke that claim during the meeting in āBefore the Stormā?
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