Make survival ranged

[anon24832510]

NO. A thousand times, NO.
You already have two ranged specs for hunters; I like having my survival hunter get to play melee style.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@anon24832510

You already have two ranged specs for hunters

Neither of which even resembles the ranged spec that was removed in the creation of melee survival, you may as well be telling people to go play warlock.

The mechanics and gameplay of MoP WoD ranged survival have been lost, completely, and while I don’t want to see another spec removed from the game (MSV). Those who lost their spec are pretty stranded too.

[Illidette-hyjal (Illidette)]

@anon24832510

NO. A thousand times, NO.
You already have two ranged specs for hunters; I like having my survival hunter get to play melee style.

I really love, how very few MSV fans seem able to read. Again, people who want RSV back are NOT asking for MSV to be removed. If RSV was added as a 4th spec, you’d still have your niche MSV. The only difference being, we’d also have our RSV back, so all these threads could stop and this rift in the hunter community would end. Even though, most MSV players aren’t part of the hunter community because MSV wasn’t designed for hunters from the start. (Ion even said this).

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

Neither of which even resembles the ranged spec that was removed in the creation of melee survival, you may as well be telling people to go play warlock.

Most people who play MSV can’t grasp that because they never touched hunters prior to the change.

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

@Illidette-hyjal

It was essentially a mobile dot class with a unique thematic. It wasn’t overly bursty outside of Lock and Load procs, and its lack of actual cooldowns balanced that out so that while occasionally bursty it was primarily just good ole consistent damage. The pet matters but isn’t the focus so the wonky pet AI isn’t nearly as much of a hindrance as it can be for BM.

The spec was just, really fluid. It wasn’t a hard spec(though very few, if any specs are these days). But it was just, fun. The thematic was fun. The mobile nature was fun. The gameplay loop was simple enough while also remaining engaging enough via Lock and Load proc’s to be well, engaging. It was good at CC as well due to things like Entrapment and even Wyvern Sting so it was a very solid spec for both dungeons and PvP. Of course it also did well in PvE due to overall good consistent damage. Plus, I’m not gonna lie, Serpent Spread was just, hella satisfying.

Yep.
Well said.

@Illidette-hyjal

But nothing will ever change the “feelsbadman” feeling over having the spec some of us played for over a decade deleted overnight

It’s simple.

This is one of those situations where people will continue to advocate for it’s return up until it does so, or until the game is shut down.

Others can agree or disagree with such requests, it is what it is. A playstyle we enjoyed was taken away without there actually being a valid reason to do so.

@Illidette-hyjal

So if something like Dark Ranger ever became a spec(or class), I could see myself enjoying it if they had a spec that was essentially RSV(given Black Arrows thematic, I could see this as a possible route one day). But I also know, a lot of the RSV fans liked the premise of using poisons and venom, along with traps and stuff. So I’d prefer that over reskinning it to a new spec.

Many players have shown interest in something like Dark Rangers.
I very much get why.

However, Dark Rangers are Hunters as much as DKs are Warriors, if you ask me.

I would never propose a recreation of something previously tied to the hunter class to be realized through another class.

But yeah, this part is very much subjective ofc.

@Illidette-hyjal

And yea. I loved RSV dearly so I am very passionate about the spec that made me love WoW in the first place

<3

@Inkwell-senjin

I cannot believe this post is still dragging itself along

Individual posts may eventually get left behind, but the subject as a whole and the purpose of why we’re doing this, it will continue until a solution is in place. Most likely.

@Illidette-hyjal

MSV should’ve been a 4th spec from the start

This.

@Illidette-hyjal

So MSV replacing RSV alienated the core community. Which was a very, very bad move. Thus, bring RSV back as a 4th so the niche community that enjoys MSV can keep their spec, but the actual hunters can get our beloved spec back as well

Aye.

@Inkwell-senjin

With all the changes that I have seen Blizzard make for the worse I do not believe that will ever make a change for the better. Sorry, it is just how I feel. Been watching Shadowlands previews and that alone makes me want to quit. I mean seriously quit this time

Yeah, we’ve seen better days indeed.

@Ticklepatch-dragonmaw

#fourthspec

Nuff said.

@Slogosh-duskwood

Why? Because Blizzard thought what a ranged class needed was a melee spec. IF they wanted a melee spec, CREATE A 4TH SPEC! Don’t change a spec just because lol variety!

Agreed.

Hopefully we can get them into the mindset that it should be done, going forward.

@Illidette-hyjal

Thus, fourth spec. Make everyone happy. MSV fans lose nothing RSV fans gain something. Everyone wins. But, as usual, most MSV fans seem so adamantly scared of this. Which I genuinely don’t understand

It does make you wonder…

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

@anon24832510

NO. A thousand times, NO.
You already have two ranged specs for hunters; I like having my survival hunter get to play melee style

Well, many of us here want it as a 4th spec and not as a replacement to your MSV so…not an issue.

And:

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

Neither of which even resembles the ranged spec that was removed in the creation of melee survival, you may as well be telling people to go play warlock

The mechanics and gameplay of MoP WoD ranged survival have been lost, completely, and while I don’t want to see another spec removed from the game (MSV). Those who lost their spec are pretty stranded too

This.

[Metrics-emerald-dream (Metrics)]

Survival throws grenades and pulls a magical crossbow out all in point blank range… makes sense 10/10 class fantasy

[Vixella-silvermoon]

Wrath survival was my favorite time on my hunter. I had so much fun on her! I’m not a fan of melee survival, but I’m also not looking to take anyone’s fun away who really likes it.

I like the idea of a 4th spec to bring the old survival back

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

@Vixella-silvermoon

Wrath survival was my favorite time on my hunter

I wish I had found out about SV earlier in WotLK and not just 3-4 months before Cata launched.
I kept with MM for most of it(WotLK).

@Vixella-silvermoon

I like the idea of a 4th spec to bring the old survival back

Yes! One day perhaps…

[Valdenroth-dalaran]

@Aviela-wyrmrest-accord

Make survival ranged

Survival hunter here…How about no.

[Denyel-tichondrius]

@Aviela-wyrmrest-accord

Make survival ranged

That’s a great idea!

[Aeondaboil-bonechewer]

@Aviela-wyrmrest-accord

Make survival ranged

have you tried the PTR?
You can kinda configure it how SV is now, or more ranged.
But Im more interested in MM if they keep it like it is on the PTR currently. Finally its actually fun to play.

[Vhalgrim-thrall]

If they make Survival ranged again, I hope they hand out level boosts so I can boost another class to replace my hunter. I do not like playing classes that use bows/guns.

[Kuwu-moon-guard]

No. Keep it melee.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

It was ranged. Players wanted a melee Hunter spec.

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

Hey if you want melee with a pet Unholy DeathKnight is waiting for you

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

@Vhalgrim-thrall

If they make Survival ranged again, I hope they hand out level boosts so I can boost another class to replace my hunter. I do not like playing classes that use bows/guns.

THen why did you roll a class that is primarily bows and guns in the first place ?

You had enough melee choices to pick from before the change

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

No one asked for melee hunter .

Even Ion said people roll hunter because they want to be range and that all msurv was is a niche spec.

[Pawanda-wyrmrest-accord]

I’ve played a hunter since 2004. I was very surprised when Blizzard made the Survivor subspec so different. But I must admit that the previous “survivor” subspec was lousy and worth changing.

Last week I leveled my Survivor Hunter from 112-120. It was fun.

When I wanted to stay ranged, I did. My pet tanked, I healed the pet and I used my ranged DPS abilities. I never had to melee at all. If the pet died then I did “feign death” to end the fight. I was a hunter with only a few bow skills.

But any time I wanted to melee (or kill a mob faster) I cast Harpoon and was instantly in melee range. And I had some melee skills, not just white damage. What other class has this feature? NO other class! Arms warriors have Charge, but only if they aren’t in combat yet. Harpoon is a unique and fun ability.

So Survival Hunter is a true hybrid class, doing DPS in 3 ways: melee plus ranged plus pet.

[Kuwu-moon-guard]

@Waidmann-gilneas

No one asked for melee hunter .

Even Ion said people roll hunter because they want to be range and that all msurv was is a niche spec.

Did people ask for Mag’har specifically? Pandas? Did they ask for BFA? That excuse is very very poor and easily countered. And do you know for a fact that literally no one asked for melee hunter? I think you’re wrong. I remember when hunters could dual wield and people complained when that was taken away.

[Kuwu-moon-guard]

@Pawanda-wyrmrest-accord

I’ve played a hunter since 2004. I was very surprised when Blizzard made the Survivor subspec so different. But I must admit that the previous “survivor” subspec was lousy and worth changing.

Last week I leveled my Survivor Hunter from 112-120. It was fun.

When I wanted to stay ranged, I did. My pet tanked, I healed the pet and I used my ranged DPS abilities. I never had to melee at all. If the pet died then I did “feign death” to end the fight. I was a hunter with only a few bow skills.

But any time I wanted to melee (or kill a mob faster) I cast Harpoon and was instantly in melee range. And I had some melee skills, not just white damage. What other class has this feature? NO other class! Arms warriors have Charge, but only if they aren’t in combat yet. Harpoon is a unique and fun ability.

So Survival Hunter is a true hybrid class, doing DPS in 3 ways: melee plus ranged plus pet.

That’s not true about the harpoon. Doesn’t rogue have the grappling hook?