Why does disc have the worst absorbs, healing spells, and damage out of every single healer.
Besides mw.
pws is getting a buff on tuesday. did you read the patch notes?
right now, at 281 ilvl, my pw:shield absorbs roughly 6k damage. I have 80k hp. Please, do tell, how a 10% buff does anything. It doesnât even stop an auto attack, my guy.
yeah it does. nobody except a ret proccing vengeance is autoing for 6k, let alone 6.6k, and thatâs only an auto by the most technical definition
what do you want pressing pws to do for your team in an arena match? itâs an instant cast that costs a lot less mana than radiance, and you can use it on multiple teammates. do you think itâd be fair for it to be a powerful heal, with that level of access? would you enjoy being that much more heavily rewarding to purge?
It would be nice if PWS was actually an ability you could use to reduce damage on someone for a moment, rather than just a vehicle to apply atonement. Which is all it is right now.
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It would be nice if PWS benefitted from the 15% mana cost reduction to healing spells from Inner Light.
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I want it to feel rewarding to press. Youâre assuming I want it buffed without any other changes for some reason. Theyâve tried things in the past with it that balance it. Theyâve added a 6 sec cd, weakened soul used to last 15 sec. Either or both of those changes would be fine if they buffed it by like 150-200%. Change rapture to something else, idc. Just make pw:shield actually absorb damage. You canât honestly sit there and act like a 6k absorb does ANYTHING when classes are hitting for 20k+ constantly. Also, purge is one of the things that makes it okay to be a strong absorb. It adds counterplay.
i am, yeah, because nothing except raid balance is going to motivate blizzard to change more than individual ability tunings before dragonflight comes out. if you just want to pipe dream, donât let me stop you, but in the realm of things they might actually do, buffing pws with no other changes is âhappening currentlyâ, and rebalancing disc cooldowns and general design is ânot happening for at minimum a yearâ
i canât? iâm pretty sure instant healing>no instant healing. maybe you can find me a majority of paladins never using LOTM, or hpriests who donât need to apply atonement never using pws
Once they added atonement and nonsense to disc I forgot about the spec. Letâs go back to tracking the internal CD of rapture mana return and actual damage absorbs.
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I am talking about the way I think thinks ought to be, not the way they are. Dismissing my point on the fact that it probably wonât happen is just silly. Obviously I have no sway at blizzard. They arenât reading this forum. Iâm just hear voicing my opinion like everyone else.
Not really sure what to say about your second point. You clearly just havenât played disc, or just donât have all that much experience on it. In its current state, PW:shields just simply doesnât do anything other than apply atonement and that feels so bad as someone thatâs played disc for almost 15 years. Maybe if they changed rdruid from a hot class to something completely unrecognizable you would be able to understand.
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When did they overhaul it, i forget, cata or mop?
If you mean disc, it was legion. If you mean PW:Shield, its has had A LOT of changes and varied in strength from xpac to xpac. But as far as it being useless, that started in BFA.
okay then, more power to you
why do you think iâm a resto druid
i think thatâs because you didnât understand it. let me try again: if pws were a useless amount of healing to access for lowish mana cost with no cast time, it would never get pressed by hpriest players, because they lack the atonement incentive. maybe you donât look at your enemyâs details after games, but hpriests actually do press pws in most games at least a few times, because it has use cases. it sounds like you are conflating the fact that you donât like how narrow those use cases are with the opinion that those use cases donât exist.
contributing to that point is lotm. it doesnât even confer the benefit of atonement or the neutrality that hpriest gets out of pws, it has a direct cost of hp, but hpals still find occasion to press it in some games because positioning is important and thereâs a very finite number of ways to do it while still using your gcds to efficiently heal
Youâre commenting on a druid, so I figured you could just imagine worst case.
Hpriest are pressing it to either swap their fae guardian or to give someone a sprint. If youâre an hpriest that presses pw:shield for literally any other reason, youâre just wasting mana. Every other button you have gets more value.
I donât think itâs a fair comparison with LOTM because Hpal has TONS of buttons that do direct healing. Disc has: shadowmend, radiance, and penance. Atonement is just irrelevant here as it doesnât do anywhere close to enough healing to deal with this meta. Disc is forced to spam radiance and shadowmend. It doesnât seem like asking for pw:shield back is that big of an ask. Especially when so many classes have purges now.
i havenât seen a nf hpriest in a while, all the ones iâm talking about are venthyr
feather gamers, nope
what other buttons are you thinking of? say youâre in a situation where you need to be moving in or out for whatever reason, and you have all the renews and swps and fortitudes out that you have the range to reapply. do you actually believe adding a trash buff and 5k effective health to someone on your team is a worse option than just doing nothing, or is there a hpriest spell iâm forgetting that competes for that global?
this doesnât seem accurate to the topic at all. if hpal had tons of buttons to do instant healing(what i assume âdirectâ means), to the point that observing it here is meaningfulâŚthey wouldnât press lotm. but they sometimes do, we know that. i donât understand why this was worth saying.
independent of that, afaik itâs also just not true. hpal has holy shock and two holy power spenders, and whatever machinery makes the spenders proc free or auto sometimes. when shock is on cooldown and you donât have or donât want to spend the holy power of a big heal for whatever reason, whatâs the next instant button that precedes lotm? bestow faith isnât going to heal anybody who needs help this moment
In this very specific scenario, you could PoM, CoH, sanctify, serenity, or chastise.
A direct heal is a button you press that directly heals the target. So, shadow mend is a direct heal, while atonement is indirect. Just like mind flay is direct damage to the target, while mind sear is indirect damage to everyone around your target.
10% buff to pws is still not enough.
Itâs great that they are getting some help but need just a little more.
Bring back spectral guise please
ah, okay. this is why i specified that the specific scenario contains movement. i donât have a hpriest; out of pom, coh, sanctify, which are instant? serenity makes sense, but itâs not going to fit the bill of âeverybodyâs fine but i want to get ready for the case that theyâre about to take damageâ, and chastise is not a spell you would just press because you have a free gcd(neither is serenity, actually)
EJ is that you?
yeah all the ones I mentioned are instant.
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