Make it account/warband wide
You’re not legitimately asking anything. Like I said; it serves my purpose better not to give you the evidence, so that you continually reinforce the status quo by repeatedly asking
You’ve described it yourself; at a bare minimum, time. You make smaller pulls, or you do less damage as a group, for the period of time in which the group isn’t filled. Then, the people that are forced to fill the group are subsequently potentially punished by not gaining access to the loot from the first boss, which may have been the reason they queued in the first place.
The idea that you think it isn’t a measurable impact on the group is completely farcical - unless you were doing zero damage/healing/tanking, it definitionally has an impact on the group.
Uh huh.
People act like a queue debuff is the end of the world when all it is meant to do is punish early leavers in any form — the ones abusing the drops aren’t the only target with this change. It’s simply meant to keep you in the dungeon with soft punishment if you don’t want to be in a group for whatever reason.
FFXIV has existed in this state basically since 2.0 — and never has been an issue.
You know full well what you’re doing and who you’re exploiting to get what you want.
To act like you don’t is disingenuous.
Why should we be forced to stay in a group that we don’t want to? Running dungeons with unknowns is horrible sometimes. I leave bad groups all the time.
FFXIV doesn’t give expansion launch BIS at the start of a dungeon, and it also rewards you for completion with a guaranteed piece for the job you played.
Nope. You lose.
No problem; you can keep doing so, you just won’t get to requeue for 30 minutes afterward.
And? You’re the player wanting to farm it. You can leave early if you want, a 30 minute debuff once you got it is hardly a punishment.
That’s fine with me.
I haven’t farmed for this trinket once, nor do I have any plans to. If I did I wouldn’t run it through group finder anyway.
This is how it works now, which is fine. So what’s the point?
Me too lol gives me time to eat like 3 cans of squeeze-cheese and make a leaning tower of Cheeza.
I was under the impression the change still hasn’t gone through for the first boss kill no longer counting to let you leave early.
I have no clue whether their change went through for that. Nor do I really care, the thread is about banning people and progressed to people asking for ramping penalties instead of a flat 30.
I don’t care about the flat 30. It’s fine.
At this point I have to conclude that you don’t know what that word means. Exploited and mildly inconvenienced are not synonyms.
So the good news is, with this change,
no one is forced to stay in a group (you just get a minor temporary penalty)
And it won’t really help people in a dungeon if and when people leave. They are gonna do what they are gonna do.
If I get any kind of debuff like that, I just alt hop or do something else for 30 minutes.
I see a lot of people either fist pumping in victory over this hot fix or complaining about it. I think it isn’t going to change anything.
You use people in selfish ways, that is exploiting. Look it up.
The deserter debuff isn’t in yet…
Ah right, right. My bad.
XIV unironically fixed that by making it so if you leave too many times in a single day you’d get a temp ban from queueing. Still able to play normally and do manual groups. Not even a full ban or suspension, just slapping you on the wrist for abandoning too many dungeons.
Don’t think anyone should be perma’d or banned permanently from queueing content for leaving any amount over time.