All DKs need Fallen Crusader because we are obviously balanced around having it. I’d rather be balance around not having it then have the false choice of taking it.
Frost needs Razorice more than the other specs need another rune but cant pick it over Fallen Crusader.
One option is to just bake Fallen into the general DK spell book so each spec can have a real choice at the other options.
Another would be to also bake the most obvious choice like Razorice for Frost, Sanguine for Blood, or Apocalypse for Unholy into each specs book then add some more options for each to CHOOSE.
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change the proc on fallen crusader or remove it.
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Been a cool Class only option, but after 10 years of Fallen Crusader being the only no brainer choice.
Not much of a Cool only anything lol.
Yeah, It’s very nice, which I don’t mind…except when I just want to experiment with something else it’s not even funny how much your DPS takes a hit in certain specs…so it does become a no brainer pick, but even with the new ones, you still go…yeah, that would be nice for maybe 1 or 2 encounters and then what? Sit at the bottom of the meters while a 3 button rotation class drops 1 million dps in about 5 seconds of a rotation.
then you finally ramp up all your buffs and everyone else wants to sit and regen mana/health while you watch your buffs drop and you’re back to the bottom again.
Frost shines in a solid healing pool elongated fight, we just dominate in the AOE department, but once you lose your stacks, good ffffing luck.
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They could just bake Rune of the Fallen Crusader into the other Runeforges.
The Lore behind it would be simple enough as DK’s you’re adding a second Rune to your weapon but the first Rune must always be Fallen Crusader.
In terms of balance for Dual wielding it would be a very simple fix to make it so that Fallen Crusader can only proc from the primary weapon and not the off hand weapon. Essentially any off hand procs are ignored.
This would basically mean that Rune of the Fallen Crusader would no longer exist as a possible runeforge instead it would become an additional element of all the other Runeforges.
For example
Rune of Razorice would read something like this:
Engrave your weapon with a rune that causes [max((0.01127 * Attack power), 1)]% extra weapon damage as Frost damage and increases enemies’ vulnerability to your Frost attacks by 3%, stacking up to 5 times.
Additionally this rune that has a chance to heal you for 6% of your maximum health and increase total Strength by 15% for 15 sec.
Rune of the Apocalypse would read like this:
Engrave your weapon with a rune that gives your ghoul’s attacks a chance to apply one of the following debuffs to the target, Death: Healing Reduction, War: Increases damage taken from the Death Knight, Famine: Reduces damage dealt to the Death Knight, Pestilence: Slows the target and deals damage over time.
Additionally this rune that has a chance to heal you for 6% of your maximum health and increase total Strength by 15% for 15 sec.
This would solve the problem and free up the use of the other Runeforges. Understandably they might need do some tuning of the numbers but honestly it wouldn’t be that hard to actually achieve.
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Runeforging is just for free enchanting. The thing is in terms of a gameplay standpoint, if they made more options that were all somewhat good then you would be constantly swapping them depending on the situation you are facing, or you have multiple weapons with different forges on it so that you can swap before combat.
At this point just remove runeforging and have everyone just work through the enchanting system like everyone else if people are going to be this picky about free enchants.
Removal of Flavour = Bad.
Whole reason we had an unpruning in the first place was to reintroduce flavour back to the class.
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You arent removing flavor, you are removing a system that clearly people on the forums arent happy with, but if that were the case WoW wouldnt exist at all and DK definitely wouldnt exist because the forums are NEVER happy.
But name 1 thing that was brought back to add “flavor” to the class that people are even remotely happy with? DnD? People want it removed. Death Coil? Not used in anything outside of Unholy.
Face it, there is no Death Knight class, just 3 different and distinct classes under an umbrella name. There was, but not anymore.
But lets just say FC is baked in or removed, RI is based into the spec… why wouldnt you just go use a regular enchant? Runeforging directly competes with enchanting and it has to be better than what you get from enchanting from a dps standpoint. If it isnt then what is the point of having it? Its a free enchant and has been the best option since Wrath in terms of DK weapon enchants. Just use it as a free enchant, you can put whatever look you have on it and more importantly the enchants that you would probably use would be Sophic Devotion, which is just another Fallen Crusader. Why would you use anything else even? If Fallen Crusader was baked in you would just get another strength based proc most likely.
I’m new to DK and Fallen Crusader does irk me a bit.
I’m PvP-oriented and Fallen Crusader really just is it huh? I looked at one of those player stat sites that collect all the data of all the talent & gear options for the top players and out of all the top 50 DK players, 100% of them run Fallen Crusader.
I mean I kind of wanted to run Rune of the Apocalypse personally- but it really is that bad eh?
But the idea of having multiple weapons and runes equipped WAS the initial idea. You can see that in the starting DK quest ( the level 55 not the Allied races one) text when theyre teaching you rune forging. The WANTED you to do exactly that.
Just turns out FC just became baseline. It sucks. Not the rune, just the fact that thats all we have to choose or just not do significant damage.
Im with OP personally. And the second poster honestly. Make FC baseline, or remove it. I wanna run Apoc.
Except it wasnt.
Why do people think they would be able to run other Runeforges and not have to go with enchants like Sophic Devotion that gives almost 1000 primary stat?
The 4-hand DK playstyle was pretty degenerate, but it was incredibly fun while it lasted.
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wanting the other runes to be useful like they once were isn’t “being picky”.
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Instead of removing it make the other ones just as good as fallen
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Id be ok with this or like the 1 poster stated to just make it baseline in the other runes possible.
If fallen is gonna be baseline then razerice should be as well
Then the other runeforges will shine
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I dont see why not tbh. If its class specific in a sense. Like a requirement. Im sure they can get the numbers right to not overdo it all but im all for it. Its a game at the end of the day. Make it fun.
Personally would love to run Apocalypse
It would make sense to me to make FC the generic rune forge that allows you to change spec and build and leave it on your weapon. Then the other rune forges should be more powerful, but have more of a niche application so it fits a specific build/spec.
Would love a variant of sanguination that increases damage of froststrike based on %hp and also applies a healing absorb based on the target based on bonus damage from froststrike. Or some other flavourful MS effect that’s a bit different to flat MS effects that other classes have.
Just my 2cents.
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A valid 2 cents nonetheless. Rune forging right now is slap on Fallen Crusader. Congrats you’re done. There should be nothing wrong with build variety or a sense of fun and engagement.
It doesn’t necessarily have to re-do the wheel so to speak, but it certainly should not be “Hey you see those runes, yea screw those here is Fallen Crusader have a good day”.
Serious question… have people just forgotten about enchanting? FC is giving some people 1300+ strength, the weapon enchant gives 932? primary stat so its in the ballpark. Why would you use any other runeforge at that point when there is basically an alternative that does almost the same thing? If people are chasing the meta and what is best right now they would do the same thing with FC gone or baked in.
Game balance comes at a price. Not everything is going to be good when everyone is trying to min max their character. There is always going to be a best and unless there is some kind of dynamic balancing making new builds worth anything. But people are complaining about the tier sets that do exactly that, so people on these forums shouldnt be listened to because they will NEVER be happy.