Oh please. Everybody on pvp servers is merely tolerating the jank garbage because they are desperate for pvp.
You know it, I know it, everybody know it.
Only way around this is to play on a PvE server, then you can do all the consensual pvp your heart desires.
Alot of people never grew up and alot of new zoomers trying out the game.
Hopefully they go back to fortnite but in the meantime better to avoid the cesspool of a PvP server.
Um no…it’s not the only way around.
You could just make improvements to PVP servers. The vanilla WoW team was constantly doing this back in the day. Like they added dishonorable kills.
Not trying to make pvp servers less toxic is antithetical to the design philosophy that made WoW great.
Bro they will go back to fortnite…fortnite is popping off. I wish WoW was popping off like that.
If you can turn off pvp, it is a pve server.
You are correct that they can find new ways to setup pve servers, like warmode mentioned, but those aren’t pvp servers.
Banning people for PvPing on a PvP server is honestly very dumb.
It’s a community thing at the very best were by the people should hold others accountable, and the greifers get a bad rep.
Blizzard can’t patch human nature.
It really does function. Like most people are running around with war mode turned on.
It doesn’t have to be warmode. But as it stands in classic pvp servers a level 60 can literally corpse camp a new player until they quit. There is nothing stopping that interaction from happening.
There are so many band-aid solutions. But people just lack imagination.
Banning people for being toxic spurgs in dumb?
Nah man, if somebodies being annoying just suspend them. Nobody wants to put up with that crap.
What’s annoying is rogue + druid duo camping people that don’t give honor that are leveling in say Redridge. Sure if honor is given I don’t care but repeatedly killing the same 5 lvl 16/17s over and over that’s just disrespectful.
There is plenty of pvp that happens on pve servers, and they even queue in the same BGs.
But the entire premise of a pvp server is that pvp is turned on as soon as you leave your starting zones, and cannot be turned off.
For example, I just ganked a 25 rogue elf rogue a few times with my 22 cow hunter. If it was a ‘warmode’ server that elf would probably have turned off pvp before coming to the barens and I could not have ganked them. Thus that is a pve mode, not a pvp mode because they turned off pvp when they wanted to not get ganked.
I may not like what they do but i sure do like that they have the freedom to do it in some capacity. I play a PvE server, because i choose not to be someone elses entertainment.
Then i can go into a BG and own noobs on a even playing field (minus the disgusting amount of premades in SoD)
Are you trying to argue that the “entire premise of a pvp server” is that level 60s can bully noobs?
Because that is not at all an essential component of pvp servers. What you described, a level 25 vs a level 22 is a fair fight. That should be encouraged.
Stopping trolls from trolling doesn’t effect you or any other pvp that isn’t an actual psychopath.
Bro I don’t want to play on a PVE server. I want to play on a pvp server without griefers.
This isn’t a lot to ask for. In fact, it should be the bare minimum standard of any pvp game.
I have no idea where you read that. But if they want 60s can spend their days killing low levels. I find zero enjoyment in doing that (I feel bad killing same level people more than a couple times), but if I get ganked by a 60 while I am leveling I don’t really mind. It is part of the fun.
I think the only conclusion from our short convo is that you will enjoy pve servers and not pvp servers 
That’s not how it works. Optional PvP server is not a PvP server.
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As mentioned, you have the choice, you cannot change human nature.
Most people won’t even take a fair fight. They will only fight if they have a clear advantage in some regard because they desire to win. Where do you draw this arbitrary line and what makes you think PvP servers have ever been ‘fair’ to begin with
I got it from the fact that you said
the entire premise of a pvp server is that pvp is turned on as soon as you leave your starting zones, and cannot be turned off.
After I mentioned
a level 60 can literally corpse camp a new player until they quit. There is nothing stopping that interaction from happening.
Like bro…just ban the players doing that. Or make it so they can’t do that.
Does it impact your fun? Not at all. But it will save the fun of SO many people. And the only people negatively effected are the tiny amount of griefers who corpse camp people 40 levels lower than them.
It’s a win, win, win.
You’ve given no reason not to do it.
If you take a 30 minute break while they are doing that, and they sit on your corpse for 30 min while you aren’t even at the computer. You won big time. Gotta game the greifers.
The people that will quit because they got killed aren’t built for pvp servers. There is a reason pve servers are very popular, not everyone wants to be a part of the war.
PvP servers are perfect as is, no need to add arbitrarily rules. Nobody is forced to roll on them and there are viable alternatives.
Why can’t you just admit you want to play on a PvE server? There’s no way you played on PvP servers in vanilla when you think like this.
Where do you draw this arbitrary line and what makes you think PvP servers have ever been ‘fair’ to begin with
Um how about if the players level is grey because it’s over 10 levels lower.
How about if they are afk in an inn…
How about if they have rez sickness…
I’m not trying to stop you from killing a guy killing a mob. He should of been watching his back. I’m not going to stop you from 2v1ing a guy because you can never be too careful! I aint genna stop you from killing the same guy multiple times because I understand it could all be in self defense!
But some cases are obvious.
Yes, the most obvious case is that you want to play on a pve server.