I forgot, you speak for everyone.
I most certaintly donât, as I said, the option is there, they have chosen for themselves. Moving the melee spec to BM is counter to their choice.
-Are YOU attempting to say all BM hunters want to be converted into a melee spec? In spite of all the obvious evidence to the contrary?
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Speculation. Survival is melee because Blizzard decided to do it, not because the players asked for it.
Also, getting angry basically means the troll won. You donât defeat a troll by falling for his trolling.
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Hunters had a melee specific build in Vanilla and TBC. As in literally didnât even use a ranged weapon. SV was the lowest represented class for 3 expansions. It was complained about constantly. Either it was too strong, or in most cases, was far too weak. They changed it to melee, then you complain about that too. If you want ranged classes go play a Mage.
No, donât do that. Donât post the same fake points in different threads to avoid criticism. You are either misinformed or lying about everything you just said. There were no viable melee-specific builds and SV was routinely a very popular spec when it was ranged.
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Why do you go around threads posting misinformation? All the things you keep repeating in your posts are completely wrong.
SV was the lowest represented class for 3 expansions.
Demonstrably false. Survival was the most popular spec in the game at certain points during Cataclysm, MoP, and WoD, in fact. That said, this is a likely future for the spec in Shadowlands since itâs been consistently in the bottom 3 least played specs in game since it went melee in Legion, two expansions ago 
If you want ranged classes go play a Mage.
If you want melee classes go play a Warrior/Paladin/Rogue/Death Knight/Demon Hunter.
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LOL he already is a Demon Hunter, maybe heâs going to tell us thatâs his SV build next?
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No they did not.
Not even the earlier Outdoorsmanship version of Survival intended for us to be only melee. Itâs true that they(devs) had plans for the class to get a spec which focused on melee combat. But that never happened. They quickly realized that the only way this would be possible, was if they were to remove the capability for us to actually wear a ranged weapon(to use with abilities and attacks).
Which is what they have done now.
Like my answer in the other topic.
No, not true. On either of the above.
Still wrong.
First off, those complaints you mention where people criticized the spec for those 3 expansions, did-not-happen.
They(devs) did not remove that spec because players were asking for it.
They(again, devs) removed that spec because they wanted to.
This ties in with the second part, which is that yeah, now we are complainingâŚ
Because we did not criticize the legitimacy of ranged SV. Nor itâs usefulness. We did not ask for itâs removal. In fact, pretty much noone did at the time.
All these arguments regarding RSV, that it wasnât unique enough, that it wasnât catering to the class fantasy, that it was just MM lite etc. etc.
All of these arguments, they appeared after Legion. They were not a thing prior to this.
Mages canât very well use a ranged weapon now, can they?
Nor are they capable of providing the theme/fantasy and unique playstyle that we got from ranged SV.
Also, mages arenât capable of taming wild beasts to have as loyal companions.
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You can literally go to wowgraphs and look at every class played by a percentile month by month all the way back to TBC. Ranged SV was always the least played spec, 100% of the time. Go find me a time where SV has a higher % than the other two specs and Iâll gift you 6 months of WoW.
By all means, provide the graphs(link) showing this.
From what I can tell, the site does not keep a history all the way back to TBC.
The site only tracks mythic boss kills as well as PvP players with a team rating higher than 1700.
As well as global statistics/graphs. Showing level 120 characters in general.
And any graphs I can find, only goes back to 2013(Siege of Orgrimmar).
Iâm not all that familiar with wowgraphs though so, if anyone got older graphs from Cata and prior, feel free to link those.
Based on the ones below, sure, ranged SV wasnât always the most popular. But contrary to the statement, it wasnât always at the bottom either. Not in PvE, nor PvP.
Here you have the PvE graph/statistics for the 3 hunter specs from 2013 up until today:
https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/sv/pve-stats/classes/hunterAnd here, the PvP graph/statistics from the same period:
https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/sv/pvp-stats/classes/hunterSurvival singled out for PvE as well as PvP:
https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/sv/pve-stats/classes/hunter/survivalhttps://www.worldofwargraphs.com/sv/pvp-stats/classes/hunter/survival
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Hmm when I google wowgraphs I get worldofwarcraft graphs which didnât have an option to look at monthly timelines. Please provide a link.
For instance Bepples provided a link to warcraft logs which show precisely the opposite. It shows Survival by far as the most represented spec in Mythic highmaul.
warcraftlogs com
/zone/statistics/6#class=Hunter&spec=BeastMastery×pan=1000
warcraftlogs com
/zone/statistics/6#class=Hunter&spec=Marksmanship×pan=1000
warcraftlogs com
/zone/statistics/6#timespan=1000&class=Hunter&spec=Survival
SV peaks at 66.9k parses during highmaul, while BM peaks at 8.3k and MM peaks at 15k during the same period. Meaning SV dominated mythic representation.
If we change to heroic for the same raid tier we can see that SV peaks at 253k parses, BM at 13k and MM at 150k.
If we look at normal for the same raid tier we can see that SV peaks at 91k parses, BM at 14.9k and MM at 155k.
If we look at LFR for the same raid tier we can see that SV peaks at 30.8k parses, BM at 15.3k and MM at 24.4k.
So for Highmaul raid across 3 of 4 raid difficulties SV had the most representation. Only for normal highmaul did MM beat out SV for representation. In fact overall BM, which is considered to be the most popular hunter spec long term, was very underrepresented during highmaul.
So my question is, can I get that 6 month sub in in game gold?
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just get rid of the melee spec altogether and make them all ranged again
we have enough melee specs as it is
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No, you canât. That website only goes back to 2013, and it shows that Survival was a very popular spec until mid 2015 (i.e. when they gutted it and then announced that it would be a melee spec the next expansion).
Even with just that data range youâre immediately proven wrong because you can clearly see that Survival was the most popular Hunter spec for most of SoO (Sep 2013 to Oct 2014) as well as Highmaul (Jan 2015 - Feb 2015). So whereâs my 6 months of gametime?
P.S. If you want to move the goalposts and say âwell it was unpopular most of the time before 2013â, this blog (https://cynwise.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/class-distribution-data-for-patch-5-4-2/) keeps some data from wargraphs from 2011 to 2013 which shows once again that Survival was often the most popular Hunter spec and was in fact the most popular spec in the whole game for Dragon Soul. So youâre still wrong.
If you want to move the goalposts beyond that and say âWell it was unpopular before Dragon Soulâ, sure; I canât find data from them so it very well might have been. Given, however, that many of the world first kills from tier 11 (late 2010/early 2011) and tier 8 (2009) were SV Hunters that seems unlikely.
âŚand if you want to move the goalposts even further, you get to a point where SV didnât even have different abilities to the other specs such as Explosive Shot (added October 2008) and Black Arrow (added April 2009), so itâs kind of a moot point then, isnât it?
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I foresee all specs getting some melee abilities baseline, next expansion.
Why would we use a melee attack when we can use ranged up close.
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Perhaps they will reintroduce the minimum range, because lord knows the only way they can get Hunters to play melee is to literally force them.
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This is why BM, even lore wise, was never made melee. Ion stated that MSV would be a very niche spec with not many playing, and they were not about to kill off a spec that was overwhelming played for a a small part of the community.
Then Affliction Warlocks would be in the same seam, they summon demons and cast spells. Just cause it shoots does not identify what the core of the spec is. Each individual ability builds the identity and game-play of a spec.
RSV was about DoTs and elemental damage. You could kite your target while it slowly die from Serpent Sting or Black Arrow, or be burned by Explosive Shot. It was not that cut and dry.
That is what happens when RSV is brought up. Best is to try and keep it civil as possible.
If anyone needs a refresher just jump into Classic and see how melee Hunter were.
Then that would be a contradictory of why RSV was change in the first place. Three range specs were one too many and Hunters need more variety, so RSV was replaced.
Dual wield for MSV.
Hunters lost melee weapons in MoP, and up till then used them mostly as stat sticks or to get back to range. RSV had a tree that strengthen melee abilities, but even that had a range ability as it last point.
If you ever saw a melee Hunter before MoP it was some Youtuber playing as a endurance test to get views as it was a joke concept from the start.
And the argument that RSV was the least played spec is such a oxymoron in that is has become a even less, even maybe the least, played spec going on two expansions now.
You can see into the future? What are the winning numbers?
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Because thatâs dumb.
Except people have been playing melee for two expansionsâŚ
You logic is just so sound.
Itâs pretty obvious, to anyone with a bit of for sight. I can see that being tough for the RSV crewâŚas youâre all stuck in the past.