Probably already said this but I’m in the midst of celebrating my by marriage Irish pride. Be doing it again for the Mexican connection later. As I’m pretty sure if you’re an American Catholic and not cousins with an Edward-John and Rosa by the time you’re 3rd generation you just get them assigned by the Vatican.
But
The Sun is no friend to the Goblins or in particular the Forsaken.
I like Revendreth for a lot of reasons but I especially love it because it looks to me like an HD remake of Tirisfal Glades. Gloomy, misty, most of it’s grass is similarly dark and green. Every single light source is eerie. There’s also much more grandiose gothic architecture and I can’t be the only one to note the sin runners look an awful lot like the initial models the Deathguard rode. To say nothing of the darkhounds. It’s just missing wind mills.
So where am I going with this?
What’s the deity of the darkness? It’s not Elune. Her moons are so bright as to just provide ceaseless mood lighting. Maldraxxus lightwise is everything but gloomy. It’s bright green skies everyday out there.
But who’s the God of the moonless night and all dark places when the light begins to flicker? Is there a real Dark Lady?
I’d wager “Darkness” First Ones are Elune (as the only Light in the Darkness, but also as the New Moon + the one who Eclipses the Sun) and a Dark First One (that is evil)
Elune as Night Warrior is “Banshee” and “White Lady” and “Lilith” and etc
The Dark First One is Morgoth Nyarlothotep Satan Kronus
But I think “blood” (eg Lunar Eclipses) is of the Sun, consider:
“Red morning, Sailor’s Warning”
elemental correspondence of Sanguine Humor
Lunar Eclipse is a Solar Effect on the Moon
Blood as both the water of life and also a product of war and death, similar to how Light gives life but can also burn and destroy
I think you’re reading too much into this. We know for a fact the Nelves were originally called Dark Elves but became Night Elves because Moon, you see.
Now IDK what the current crop of writers will give us but in many languages the word for death is feminine. But I know WoW writers are mostly students of media, not history.
So I would suggest a goddess of specifically death. Not the realm of magic but of the moment. With this sort of personality;
With a sort of curious nurturing opinion toward the undead. It’s not often her scythe’s victims get a retort once the job is done. Let’s see how this plays out.
I am ready to give the Horde anything (especially something that does not belong to me), if she will share anything with me. Do you want An’She? The wild gods will side with the night elves and humiliate the races of the Horde a little mortally.
Or you will relive the experience of Elune at an accelerated pace.
In patch 10.0, you will learn that An’she is galactically large; in 10.1, he will do absolutely nothing, drink wine, play charades with Ouuna, sing, dance while Thunder Bluff is destroyed by the night elves and Wild Gods.
In patch 10.3, you will learn that he can make anyone Kalia (many will be like Bolvar, only the dead), but the trouble is, you burned out, but you still don’t start winning. So you live in the backyard of Orgrimmar, looking at Mega-Botany, the former Thunder Bluff. And then you will be denied vengeance and called Lightforged Bane obsessed with vengeance while the entire Horde makes peace with the Alliance.
Yes.
Um… Is this in response to the Loa? Most of them did very little to ‘humiliate’ the Alliance. Bwonsamdi didn’t stop them from killing Rastakhan, though he did make getting to him more challenging. You also have to hide from him in the Alliance War Campaign while scouting the Necropolis. Other than that, Gonk never even gets a chance to go after Umbric for defiling his children. Pa’ku threw a tank into the ocean I guess, so ra ra for our Loa of Winds.
So, yeah. I’d agree that Cenarius should be more involved at the minimum, but even then he’s going to spin around and get along with the Horde later just as Bwonsamdi does with the Alliance. Besides, the Loa aren’t marching personally into Alliance lands anyways like you seem to want for the Wild Gods. What Loa personally waltzed into Darkshore and helped burn Teldrassil? If you’re trying to draw lines of equivalency than you’re overstepping here.
The Tauren already faced almost certain extinction at the hands of the centaur and received no salvation from either An’she or the Earthmother. You really can’t get much worse off then they already were. Heck, in some of our fan-theories here we’ve established he would be somewhat of a scatterbrained and irresponsible god. Not noticing that one of his chosen people need help because something shiny caught his eye would be in character in those cases.
Besides, burning Thunder Bluff would end with the destruction of Ironforge, which I don’t think ANYONE wants. Lowkey best city in the game.
Somehow an improvement over current Baine. But it would be more like a “Dawn Warrior” in this case. In any case, the Alliance would then be forced to suck it up and work alongside Baine while he threatens to dunk them at any given time, which you know he could. We’ll take it.
On an actual on-topic note, I’d prefer An’she’s ‘oh-shizz’ power-up to take on a different form than the Night Warrior. The Night Warrior is an aspect of vengeance, so the ‘Dawn Warrior’ should be an aspect of pain. Ordos should be the building block for this. You gain power over flames and the unbridled light of the sun in order to bring victory, but you will be subjected to eternal searing pain that never lessens (through being literally on fire). While you may strong, eventually even the greatest breaks under the pain and leaves a shell of who they were with the singular drive to inflict their pain on others. The trade-off is almost never worth it, so most don’t even think about it.
Or An’she could just not be into giving power-ups at all, but instead prefers to simply teach his favored ways to live in harmony with the world and to respect those that came before. More like a Buddha figure in that regard.
Or the opposite, whereas the Night Warrior depends on emotion to an extent, the Dawn Warrior strips you of your personality completely, you’re just a one-mission beacon of firey light.
I see that in the Night Warrior, but Tyrande hasn’t done a great job of expressing it. She’s single-mindedly focused on vengeance now. She doesn’t express sorrow outside of the “For Teldrassil” when killing Ol’ Nathanial. It’s mostly just anger and angst pointed in a singular direction.
That being said, there is something chilling about losing your individuality to the flames. What’s worse is that over time the pain and loss of emotion would likely lead one to turn on their own people. Could be one of the main reasons the Ordon sacrifice to him, just to keep him from turning on them in the moment.
It could be where your emotions are heightened to replicate An’she’s passion, but only a First One could manage that kind of experience. As a result you slowly ‘burn out’ until your personality and emotion are nearly nonexistent. Plenty of cool directions you could go.
(As a miscellaneous aside, this post has reminded me how much I miss Nathanos for the sole reason of having so many silly pet names for him.)
Yes Ordon is exaclty who I had in mind! We barely got any lore about him, but the fact he was allowed to enter the Timeless Isle tells me he was maybe once Good, like the Yaungol invoked someone to protect themselves against the Mogu
If I understand right, all of the lore about Ordos is basically a big Dark Souls reference which, if you haven’t played it, results in the final boss having done exactly what Azighan wrote where he uses his own soul as kindling to keep the world as you know it going. And his memories and personality have long burned away to nothing when you finally reach him, leaving him as little more than a zombie running on instinct to protect the dying flame that he’s still trying to feed.
The Mogu are actually a perfect enemy for such a desperate play. The Night Warriors folded the Troll Empires, but the Mogu had one thing that the Trolls didn’t: Lei Shen.
In the end, the fight carried on too long and Ordos began to lose his mind and the Yaungol were forced to attempt to seal him away using the Timeless Isle which happened to be around. The Ordon stayed behind to tend to their champion and the Mogu secured their hold.
It’s simple, but it changes very little about the narrative we currently know. Me likey.
And I’m totally down for ripping that off wholesale. The Dark Souls story is one of my favorites in any video game. Elden Ring is gonna be fantastic, assuming we ever get it.
This would be an interesting twist, if Ordos attempted to invoke a ritual similar to the Night Warrior (who says the Ritual has to be deity-specific?) but invoked An’she instead of Elune. And this is what happens if you try to keep the power for too long.
I know they won’t do this…
But it would be interesting if Baine actually tries to help Tyrande by actually researching the ritual Ordos used. Maybe An’she holds the key to helping Tyrande by “balancing” the power?
Now I have this hilarious scene in my head of Ordos trying to invoke Elune but An’she pops up and exclaims that Elune is on vacay and he’s got him covered before whipping out a book labeled “How to Make Night Warriors for Dummies An’she”. Unfortunately, reading comprehension isn’t An’she’s strong suit so he ends up immolating poor Ordos and pulls an “Oops! Gotta go!” and poofs outta there.
Okay, went overboard with the Wild Gods. To attack the Horde, we will use allies from Warcraft 3 - mountain giants, wonderful dragons and chimeras, this will be a response to the magnataurs, and the Wild Gods will be used for defensive purposes. Yes.
While An’she is simply absent, I think this situation can be made worse. For example, the chosen people of An’she have always been the centaurs. Or he will be a cruel god who enjoys the suffering of the chosen people, and the tauren survived against his will. Perfect for the Evil Light expansion when the tauren go to kill their god.
Yes, you will love Bane like that. Although, if his blessing is “Buddhist” … (scream). Yes, you will be dissatisfied with such a “good”. The Lightforged Bane will become perfection, Anduin 2.0! More Light, more peace preaching! Although, he could just as well become a concentrated Scarlet Order, he will also preach about a peaceful existence, hammering dissent with a totem, (scream). No bonuses will be noticed, only light from the eyes and insane fanaticism about the peace.
He-he-he. And then the Horde will renounce the idea of peace, and believe in the incessant carnage, for a peaceful existence is terrible, proved by Bane! (insane scream). Yes!
To be honest I don’t think you can ruin Baine more than he is already. Having him throw empowered-yet-impotent hissy fits in the corner would probably do more for his personality than what he is now.
Here we go again with WC3… I mean if the night elf can use WC3 can the forsaken also use frost wrym, lich, nethrazim, crypt lord, nerubian, ghoul and all the Death knight??? Oh yeah its true, forsaken aren’t warcraft3 undead because WC3 doesn’t represent current WoW.
So the alliance can get bend with their overuse of the alliance biased WC rts as a reason of why the alliance should still be 10x supperior.
So like they did with Mu’sha? So your option for ‘‘make the tauren feel how the night elf feel’’ is so make the tauren suffer for something that they already suffer and that the night elf didn’t???
I just never get to understand your point because how you just make no sense…
Like what the hell is that non-sense!!! Are you ok?
Sigh … Yeah. Like, the Wild Gods have never in their history interfered in the conflicts between mortal races. They only get off their butts when its some great cosmological threat, and even then … it tends to only be when that cosmological threat gets to the point it might threaten their little corner of Azeroth. Stone Giants are also generally neutral, and have the same temperament. As are Dragons … especially the Aspects. Who feel more like nannies of the NEs, cleaning up their damned messes for them. I have no idea what happened to NE Chimera riders since WC3 … but honestly … I don’t think they are as much as an asset as the other three. But they are an asset at least the NEs should be able to rely on consistently.
While I will always expect that the NEs are potent and powerful (and will always be), they have never in their history been portrayed as potent and powerful as many NE players seem to expect? Because once you remove the Dragons, Giants & Wild Gods from the equation, they truly are reduced to what Grom’s quote about them says (when used in the proper context). They are very formidable, but not overwhelmingly so.
The Forsaken gave up all of this voluntarily. There are no ice serpents, this is a thing of the Scourge and specifically of the Lich King; Nartrezim - Legion; Necromancers - you kind of respect free will. As for the nerubians, living and dead, take them if they agree. And you already have death knights. Take whatever you want, just do not be offended the next time you use the plague.
The night elves did not give up everything that was in Warcraft. Not that I know where they got it all from. I’m ready not to take mountain giants, they seemed to be on their own. I will not give up chimeras. Dryads … I don’t know. It seems I don’t want to lose, but they belong to Cenarius, and he seems to favor the night elves. What are you willing to lose in exchange for losing the dryads?
There is a slight difference between Mu’sha and An’she in my version: An’she directly favors those who want to kill his followers for a long time, and Mu’sha favors those who want to kill them recently and only because that they were attacking them as part of the Horde.
Did you say “Make the tauren suffer for suffering”? Did I understand correctly? So the tauren are suffering, so should they suffer even more? And what does the night elves have to do with it?
Don’t worry, I know I’m defective.
This is nothing more than a fantasy on the theme of “Night Warrior of the Horde”, useless, and in some ways even harmful. Although, the peaceful (“adequate”) part of the night elves is in charge of Shandris … Will Myla play her role?
You, too, can fantasize about “How to Repeat the Night Warrior’s Plot for the Horde”.
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