The Scarlet Crusade will never die.
The only other Trolls that have blood magic as part of their internal mythos is Gurubashi, who continue existing.
The Nazmiri (making up a word, they have never been called that) trolls were wiped out completely. The only other âBad Trollsâ in Nazmir are the Muehâzala-worshipping trolls, which we see in Shadowlands.
Regardless, one of the Allianceâs âallied racesâ have already come from the Horde: the Void Elves.
During alpha she was the one NIght Warrior associated to all the quests; a remnant from when Ardenweald and Bastion were supposed to be one giant continent.
Then Thiernax was added, and the quest text for Tracking the Shadows stated all night warriors went to Ardenweald.
This was removed around the last month of beta, right around when the game was supposed to launch but was delayed.
only issue there is why would Anâshe/Solar First One be trapped in the Maw?
Damn if they reveal a Solar First One who is confirmed in-game to be tied to Tauren legends, among other things, and make him evil, that would blow so hard.
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I donât want trolls. We need the Horde people who have lost faith or their allies.
They do not need to be an allied race, only traitors to the Horde represented somewhere in the Alliance.
Stop. Elves of the Void. Zandalari, Vulpera, Nightborne, Magâhar, Tauren.
Traitors to the Horde came to the Alliance, the night elves to the Horde ⌠Hmm. So-so âequalityâ, but there is something similar. This means that the disappointed should not be invited yet.
Theoretically he wouldnât need to be down there as a punishment. He could very well have entered the Maw voluntarily so he could beat the crap out of the endless numbers of irredeemably evil beings down there. Itâd explain why such a being never bothered to intervene against Sargeras. He was in the Maw and thus cut off from the goings on of the greater cosmos.
Just say he went Maw diving to destroy an enemy more dangerous than the Jailer and got stuck fighting endless waves of evil. Maybe he ran out of sacrifice energy and canât get back out.
If they did make him evil though, that would indeed suck.
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What are you willing to give Elune in exchange for this AnâShe heroism?
Again, Equality for Equalityâs sake is really poison for a story, because everything is only brought into balance so that it is in balance, not because you want to make a story good/better.
Conversely, if Anâshe exists and has this role, Elune doesnât need to have this role or an equality, it doesnât add anything to the setting.
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Iâm just spitballing ideas about a potentially new character that would need lore written about him to explain what he does and has been doing. Eluneâs been a part of the franchise for decades and has her own cool moments like safeguarding Tyrande from Archimondeâs touch and empowering her with cool spells.
Plus Iâm sure Elune will be doing more things as the story progresses. The Night Warrior storyline in Ardenweald is about her after all.
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once, many years ago, i thought about a pantheon of thalassian elf gods, one of them, were Belore:
Belore, the Two-Faced God, Lord of the Living Flames, Defender of Quelâthalas and supreme god of the high elves - as patron saint of all high elves and guardian of the throne he drives the great battle chariot Quelâdathal, pulled by the hundreds of the flame birds, and rides day after day across the firmament in pursuit of all the terrors of darkness. In the armor of the Kandure he is able to defy every wound, with the ThalâAâdor, the legendary sun spear, he destroys all his enemies and shatters their bodies in the mountains of heaven and earth. His light is so bright that it never fades. The second face of Belore is the silver falcon, when night falls and cold threatens to extinguish all the lights, the silver falcon ShalâBelore rises and gives hope, so that never complete darkness will arise. His sign is the sacred Sunwell, which is dedicated to Belore himself.
this was my basic Description of him. That was my idea, regarding a Belore reincarnation.
Wild Gods with solar themes are Rukhmar (blessed with primordial light) and Rezan (the power of the sun).
Rukhmarâs mount is described as a phoenix, and that model is used for Kaelâthas in Shadowlands in the encounter in Castle Nathria when he summons a phoenix. And as Iâve mentioned before, we didnât see any phoenixes in Cataclysm in the Firelands, and the Firehawks were not described as phoenixes at any point.
But do we want Phoenixes to be direct creations of Anâshe as a âSun Elementalâ, or do we want Aâlar to be a Phoenix Wild God like Rukhmar and Rezan?
I like this idea. It harkens back to imagery of Helios and his chariot. Actually, Alâar could have been one of Anâshe/Beloreâs companions that pulled his chariot, given long ago to the Royal Family during the founding of the kingdom.
So I guess Alâar would be more of a direct creation in that case. I think that fits better as we still havenât actually seen an actual phoenix outside of Alâar, which means heâs either one of a kind or absurdly rare.
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Honestly, well, AnâShe I can imagine less well with it, as I said, it fit an elf god, however, the description does not fit in the least to the description and conception that should be fulfilled here. It was honestly also written with an elf god in mind at the time as well.
if i would write AnâShe, he would be differently.
God have multiple faces usually tho. Hathor is Sekhmet, Legba is Met Kalfu, Christ is both Baby Jesus and Crucified Savior and Ancient Of Days.
Elune as Mother Moon⢠would not resemble Elune as Night Warriorâ˘; just look at how Tyrande changed as she invoked Elune differently, and thatâs within the same religious tradition of the same ethnoracial group.
Anâshe and Belore would be the same god within different religious traditions of different ethnoracial groups.
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Keep in mind that in this scenario Anâshe and Belore are the same individual. Maybe Anâshe is his real name, or maybe like Muâsha its simply his Tauren name and Belore is his true name.
Heck, both could be wrong and his real name might be something as simple as Sol. Itâs not uncommon for gods to appear in different forms to different people and carry many different names for different appearances.
I LIKE THE BABY VERSION THE BEST!
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Elune as Night Warrior and Elune as Mother Moon are the same deity, just different aspects of those deiti.
As for the rest, you are right.
I am literally saying this lmao
If you want to know exactly, Aâlar was Beloreâs messenger in this scenario, he appeared again and again, over the millennia, whenever a prince is born who will face particularly hard trials in the future of his reign, to secure his people, he is born with the gift of summoning AâLar. The first to be born with this gift was DathâRemar.
As far back as I made Beloreâs intervention, the first to have Aâlar by his side was the founder of QuelâThalas. Aâ dal embodies the ability to endure in spite of torment, just as the phoenix represents rebirth, it was the nameless promise that there will be a future, no matter how dark the present.
The symbol of hope, courage, rebirth, embodied by a phoenix.
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Which would line perfectly up with
- how Dazar had been bound to Rezan and led the Trolls out of Nazmir to found Zandalar before the Night Elves even existed, which coincides to how the Loa (and perhaps Rezan, specifically) are behind Troll regeneration after being mutlated
- Tauren attribute their Shamanism (Spirit Walking, etc) to Anâshe
- How the Tauren precursor, the Yaungol, have Ordos who sacrificed himself to the Fire Lords (plural) which was always weird, enduring permanent pain for power.
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A tasty nugget I found yesterday when poking around on Wowpedia:
The Dawnchaser tribe believes that honored ancestors who gave their own lives to save, or create, other lives become yeenaâe (âthose who herald the dawnâ in Taur-ahe) â spirits who aid Anâshe in announcing the coming of dawn.
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While Iâm all for developing the concept of Anâshe, I reject the notion that he should be âFor the Horde.â We should not paint cosmological gods in the framework of a petty squabbling of two insignificant factions on an insignificant planet.
Rather Elune and Anâshe should be more general gods who arenât bound by race or faction.
Hell, Nightborne still (in theory) have Elune Worship, as they are still Night Elves.
Even Blood Elves could (in Theory) hold some reverence toward her. (we need some more lore in this area to clarify this.)
But also, if Anâshe is actually the equivalent of God of the Light, Then that effectively makes every culture who worships the light also worshippers of Anâshe. Humans, Draenei, Blood Elves.
If anything, this should be used to bring the races of Azeroth together rather then driving them further apart.
Actually, the ONLY thing that was proven correct is that she exists. Nothing else. That what she is or why she does what she does or for whom.
Nothing of the Tauren myths have been distinctively âwrong.â
In Elune represents the Moon and Anâshe the sun, then everything attributed to the Light can be attributed to Anâshe, which makes Anâshe on par with Elune.
But the way the Tauren portray the Earthmother, it seams to represent a duality, with Anâshe and Muâsha being a duel component of that relationship.
In this way, both Elune and Anâshe seam to be cosmic forces and are both singluar entities and not at the same time.
I postulate that Elune and Anâshe are not two separate entities but are two aspects of a singular Being. Or another theory, the Earthmother is the Supreme Deity and Elune and Anâshe are her children (the First Ones.)
So, technically, both the Tauren and the Night Elves are both right and both wrong.
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