I realize that the datamined items cannot be taken as gospel, but so far there are no signs pointing to “new” items not being accurate to their intended release. With that being said… what the heck is up with the Electromantic Chausses
Item Level 45
Binds when picked up
Legs Mail
239 Armor
+10 Strength
+10 Agility
+10 Stamina
+10 Intellect
Equip: Improves your chance to hit with spells and with melee and ranged attacks by 1%.
+28 Attack Power
These things have so much more item “budget” than their leather and plate counterparts.
Plate
420 Armor
+13 Strength
+12 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to hit with spells and with melee and ranged attacks by 1%.
Leather
117 Armor
+13 Strength
+8 Agility
+14 Stamina
Equip: Improves your chance to hit with spells and with melee and ranged attacks by 1%.
Even if you factor out the 10 Int, they are still over-budget, comparing 28 attack power to the difference in a couple stam and str. Comparing chest pieces is not quite as bad, but the mail chest still has quite a bit more budget.
I WANT to use the plate set on my warrior, and I do not care if it is slightly worse than leather or mail for dps, but the difference is too much to pass up. Using standard stat weights on wowhead (which actually devalues agi so it should be worse) for fury dps, the mail pants score 156 compared to 92 for the plate pants. The chest is 124 (flat crit value on the defaults is a bit overvalued) to 66!
While this may seem like a “buff the plate set” post, I actually just hope they bring the Mail set down to be more in line with the leather and plate sets. The plate and leather gear are plenty good, the mail set is out of this world good.
EDIT: Looks like in a recent patch they removed the Str and Agi from the mail chest and pants. Honestly, maybe a bit too big of a nerf, but at least the items are in line with what they should be now.
Shamans: Need Mail gear that’s properly itemized.
Blizzard: Makes properly itemized mail gear.
Plate wearing Warriors: BuT iTs An UpGrAdE fOr Me So I WiLl Be RoLlInG oN iT!
There is a huge difference between properly itemized and incredibly over budget. For the pants example, it would be “properly itemized” if it had 0 strength and 0 agility, but you’re getting 10 of each.
I don’t really care what your opinion is, if I’m raid leading and a warrior “wins” a roll on it, and it isn’t plate, it’s never entering your inventory.
plate gives us so much survivability tho and especially being stuck at 40? phy dmg reduction is gonna be INSANE for us warrs, Ill take the set for warrs anyday
I do not think I have expressed a single opinion in the post. I have merely presented factual statements. If that is your attitude, we would certainly not agree on many things. That is fine, though! The game can support different attitudes. Also, something the shaman brigade seems to be missing… Blizzard had stated set items will come from, at least partially (a bit ambiguous in the way it was presented/worded), tokens that you turn in for the desired item. The point of the post is that by making the mail pants so overbudget, it creates a situation where Warriors will be using their set tokens on Mail, which I am sure is not the intent. Typically, Blizzard likes to make the most obvious decision for something like that a correct one, or at least “close enough.” As it stands now, if you see a warrior in Phase 2 wearing the plate set pants and chest, it will be an indicator that is a “bad” player.
TBF, in what world are any of us supposed to ignore 40 stats, 1% hit, and 28 AP?
OP is right, those pants specifically are insanely over budget. I suspect that this is because they were datamined that way and the team will catch and change them before Thursday. Maybe something like 7 in each of the four stats and 20 AP would make more sense on top of the 1% hit.
Switching from the Plate Chest + Pants to the Mail Chest + Pants is the difference between 39.7% mitigation and 35.9% mitigation on my sample gear set. It is certainly not nothing, but still a small amount. Also, the 10 agility granting dodge brings the actual physical mitigation even closer. Again, I WANT to wear the plate set, because of what you said, but the insane disparity is jarring. I know Vanilla has always had some crazy itemization, but once Blizz “figured it out” with later gear, and even in Phase 1, armor type (unless the item had bonus armor) never seemed to be considered as part of the budget.
The problem is that straight AP is really good in Classic and thus also SoD.
The mail set has way too much AP on it to not be BiS for Warriors and probably also Ret Paladins given we benefit from the int as well.
If the AP isn’t reduced, I simply can’t see a world where the mail set isn’t better than the plate set for plate dps.
TBF, Classic has never cared about people staying in their lanes when it comes to armor types. In Classic Era, Warrior’s bis often has leather and mail mixed in with plate iirc.
But the mail legs in particular are still dramatically over-budget.
What makes the most sense in my head is that they originally were just 10/10/10/10 and the hit, and someone made a comment on how ranged hunters can’t really use the str and how agi is not great for enhance, so they decided to switch to having AP… and forgot to adjust the str/agi
This is Retail Mentality tbh. Not sure why you’re bringing it into SoD where the foundation is built on Classic Design Philosophy, not on Retail Design Philosophy.
This idea that just because a class can wear plate means it should not be allowed to equip any other pieces of gear from any other armor type belongs in Dragonflight, not Season of Discovery.
That is certainly fair, poorly worded on my part and was thinking more P1 where Agi is meh for enhance because they do not yet have flurry. It will certainly be better in P2. The main point of my post was them needing to make the item good for enhance and ranged hunters, which potentially led to overbudgeting.
Hes making a legitimate point. Those are way over budget for their item level. Theyre slightly weaker versions of the Shaman DPS offset mail that drops in BWL and AQ40. Meanwhile the other sets are budgeted like youd find them between Cath and ZF.
The stats types are fine. Its the amounts of each that are way out of budget.