Dear Blizzard,
After reading the new Allied Race preview for Mag'har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves yesterday, it was disappointing to see how overly situational (and by extension, dis-balanced) the Mag'har Orc racial abilities seem to be compared to other races.
I am specifically referring to the "Open Skies" and "Sympathetic Vigor" racial traits.
1. "Open Skies" currently only provides utility when flying (which will not be available in Battle for Azeroth till much later). Although for this one you could say that in the meantime this racial trait provides utility in prior expansions (especially for leveling), I feel as if a more universal compromise could be achieved without losing the spirit of the racial ability.
Solution for "Open Skies"
I believe for this racial trait: a 3% to 5% buff to both ground and flying mount speeds would be much more agreeable over a 10% buff to only flying.
2. Even more significantly discouraging is the "Sympathetic Vigor" trait, which takes up an entire racial trait slot, but only provides benefit for one class that Mag'har Orcs can roll as (Hunter).
Solution for "Sympathetic Vigor"
In order to help this ability have more universal benefit for the Mag'har Orc allied race, I would propose that the effect for "Sympathetic Vigor" be reworked to provide a passive haste buff for the player character (which would perhaps include renaming the racial trait - e.g. "Bestial Vigor").
The Mag'har Orc clans have a lot of history and lore to draw upon that could feed into numerous different concepts for racial abilities. I, like many players in the community, have for years dreamed of being able to play as a Mag'har Orc. I write this today only because I wish to see that this much anticipated allied race be treated with the justice I, and many of us in the community, believe it deserves.
Having said all this: I do not in any way proclaim to know better than the developers - just that I feel perhaps certain elements were not considered when judging the substance of the racial traits, and that perhaps a better composition still yet exists.
Thank you for your time,
- Talgor
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04/28/2018 01:24 PMPosted by Talgor
1. "Open Skies" currently only provides utility when flying (which will not be available in Battle for Azeroth till much later). Although for this one you could say that in the meantime this racial trait provides utility in prior expansions (especially for leveling), I feel as if a more universal compromise could be achieved without losing the spirit of the racial ability.
The preview on the website says it only works while flying, but both the in-game description and the actual effect in-game have it working for all mounts.
04/28/2018 01:24 PMPosted by Talgor
2. Even more significantly discouraging is the "Sympathetic Vigor" trait, which takes up an entire racial trait slot, but only provides benefit for one class that Mag'har Orcs can roll as (Hunter).
Agreed. Sympathetic Vigor provides basically no benefit to hunters and no benefit to every other class.
It's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
bear in mind that those making level 20 Mag'har Orcs will be using flying once they reach level 60.
I entirely agree on changing Sympathetic Vigor as it is literally a useless racial trait unless you roll a Hunter; thus meaning if you don't roll a Hunter you feel shortchanged on the racial benefits of the allied races.
This same concept I would say with the Lightforge Draenei and their anvil of doom... unless you roll blacksmithing, which three out of the five classes would probably not as they can't use plate, you miss out on a racial trait.
So yes, please developers, make the racials more universally useful!!!
This same concept I would say with the Lightforge Draenei and their anvil of doom... unless you roll blacksmithing, which three out of the five classes would probably not as they can't use plate, you miss out on a racial trait.
So yes, please developers, make the racials more universally useful!!!
Dark Iron Dwarves have some really nice racials
04/28/2018 01:47 PMPosted by TeampupnsudzDark Iron Dwarves have some really nice racials
Dark Iron Dwarves need fire resist racial. Every other race, including allied races, get some sort of resistance ability. Regular Draenei have 1% shadow resist, Lightforge have 1% holy resist. It makes perfect sense that Dark Iron Dwarves ought to have fire resist... after all they grow up in a hollowed out volcano base!
04/28/2018 01:46 PMPosted by KastrierenIt's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
You mean like the new Arcane Torrent and your "horrible" racials on Void Elf (no delay in spell casting) and Lightforged (big dps aoe for free). But yeah, the Nightborne got a mailbox - amazing!
You have no reason to complain with the Horde faction having such good racials that it made all the min/maxers for pve and pvp go Horde
04/28/2018 01:46 PMPosted by KastrierenIt's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
Considering you’ve had the oppressively powerful humans’ Every man for himself trait for so long, I really don’t want to hear a human !@#$% about op racials. For years and years it’s been the best pvp racial bar none. You’d best stop crying right there.
04/28/2018 01:24 PMPosted by TalgorSympathetic Vigor
Has to be the worst racial in the game. At least give the player a HP boost along with the pet if anything, so the race gets an actual benefit. Otherwise that whole racial is locked to just hunters and when did they ever start to worry about their pet's HP anyway?
04/28/2018 01:50 PMPosted by Aerwyna04/28/2018 01:46 PMPosted by KastrierenIt's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
You mean like the new Arcane Torrent and your "horrible" racials on Void Elf (no delay in spell casting) and Lightforged (big dps aoe for free). But yeah, the Nightborne got a mailbox - amazing!
Velf casting racial is useless is pve and only somewhat helpful for the casters in pvp. Memeforged racial only happens when they die. The point is to not die.
Compare this to the aoe snare from NB and the free charge from HM.
Blind to your own privilege.
04/28/2018 01:50 PMPosted by Aerwyna04/28/2018 01:46 PMPosted by KastrierenIt's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
You mean like the new Arcane Torrent and your "horrible" racials on Void Elf (no delay in spell casting) and Lightforged (big dps aoe for free). But yeah, the Nightborne got a mailbox - amazing!
Mailbox can be used regardless of class... so it at least retains usefulness amongst the board of available playable Nightborne. Lightforge get a racial that solely revolves around rolling a blacksmithing profession to make it at all useful. You guys got the better deal.
what a !@#$ing joke lmao shut up04/28/2018 01:50 PMPosted by AerwynaLightforged (big dps aoe for free)
04/28/2018 01:46 PMPosted by KastrierenIt's time the Horde gets a useless racial for once. Especially since Blizzard likes showing off their Horde bias by giving you all the OP racials.
i wonder if alliance can ever make a post w/o mentioning horde bias?
lmfao nb snare is trash lightforged is better then nightbornes04/28/2018 01:55 PMPosted by Kastrieren04/28/2018 01:50 PMPosted by Aerwyna...
You mean like the new Arcane Torrent and your "horrible" racials on Void Elf (no delay in spell casting) and Lightforged (big dps aoe for free). But yeah, the Nightborne got a mailbox - amazing!
Velf casting racial is useless is pve and only somewhat helpful for the casters in pvp. Memeforged racial only happens when they die. The point is to not die.
Compare this to the aoe snare from NB and the free charge from HM.
Blind to your own privilege.
04/28/2018 01:59 PMPosted by Oäklmfao nb snare is trash lightforged is better then nightbornes04/28/2018 01:55 PMPosted by Kastrieren...
Velf casting racial is useless is pve and only somewhat helpful for the casters in pvp. Memeforged racial only happens when they die. The point is to not die.
Compare this to the aoe snare from NB and the free charge from HM.
Blind to your own privilege.
Lol
Obviously don't know how useful a snare is in content.
I have both races and lightforged is 100x better then nightborne. too many people salty on alliance it blinds them04/28/2018 02:03 PMPosted by Kastrieren04/28/2018 01:59 PMPosted by Oäk... lmfao nb snare is trash lightforged is better then nightbornes
Lol
Obviously don't know how useful a snare is in content.
the AoE activate racial on LF comes up to be the same as the generic 1% passive on other races but yes you are 100% right LF is way better than NB cos NB look like garbage04/28/2018 02:05 PMPosted by OäkI have both races and lightforged is 100x better then nightborne.
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Are you being serious now OP?
Racial abilities are designed for flavor, not for super awesome utility or viability. Not all racials will be beneficial for all classes. For example:
- Void Elves get Preternatural Calm which eliminates spell pushback when getting hit while in combat, great for casters, useless for everyone else.
- Highmountain Tauren get Bull Rush, which is like the Warrior's charge (if they had the Warbringer talent). Great for melee classes, useless for casters.
- Lightforged Draenei get Forge of Light, which allows them to enable blacksmithing anywhere they want to plonk it down. Fantastic... if you're a blacksmith. Useless if you're any other profession unless by chance you're out in the wilds and a nearby blacksmith really needs an anvil.
The racials are fine as they are in all honesty.
Are you being serious now OP?
Racial abilities are designed for flavor, not for super awesome utility or viability. Not all racials will be beneficial for all classes. For example:
- Void Elves get Preternatural Calm which eliminates spell pushback when getting hit while in combat, great for casters, useless for everyone else.
- Highmountain Tauren get Bull Rush, which is like the Warrior's charge (if they had the Warbringer talent). Great for melee classes, useless for casters.
- Lightforged Draenei get Forge of Light, which allows them to enable blacksmithing anywhere they want to plonk it down. Fantastic... if you're a blacksmith. Useless if you're any other profession unless by chance you're out in the wilds and a nearby blacksmith really needs an anvil.
The racials are fine as they are in all honesty.