I let me first say, that I think mages should be able to spell steal their opponent’s combust, AP, IV and their procs. It creates great counter play between equally skilled mages.
But is there anyone here that can give me a reason why a shaman should be able to non-stop purge all of a mage’s offensives, DPS procs like hot streak/brain freeze/clear casting and their shields? It’s not like a mage can just press one button and take away all of a shaman’s DPS.
Blizzard please change combust so it can only be dispelled by another mage. Otherwise they are just a target dummy against a skilled shaman. It will be bad enough that hot streak can still be dispelled. Nothing feels worse than seeing all your damage removed during a battle and there is nothing you can do to prevent it.
(edited 1/30. Corrected for a blue post I missed. I just recently returned from a break and missed the blue updates for 9.15. Looks like blizzard has been looking into this issue and I’m stoked about the change to arcane power and icy veins in 9.15. I’ve been pushing for that change for two expansions. I’ll have to try arcane out and I hope they will change combust so it also can’t be dispelled. Although my OP is really more about the shaman toolkit of grounding, wind sheer and purge vs. all casters. They seem a bit over tuned.)
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They really need to give me the power to decide who can and who can’t post round these parts
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Clever troll or incredibly clueless player. The world may never know
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Please give me a reasonable explanation why a shaman should be able to purge combust, their heating up procs, and their shields from a mage as well as use grounding totem if they miss a purge?
I’m open to hear your feedback.
(edited to correct for a blue post I missed. I just recently returned from a break.)
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Healthy counterplay and rewarding teams that efficiently line up cross CC and setup their kill windows so that it cannot be purged. And making shaman a threat while you’re in line of them during a go.
Next stupid question ?
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shaman into a good mage doesnt really have that many globals to mash on purge + mage has a ton of purge protect if they’re still running triune
enhance can’t really purge ever due to mana
ele can purge a bit but it’s a large damage loss so it has to be at the right time
rsham can purge for eternity but an rsham should also be ccd on your go
(really any shaman should be ccd on a combust go, forcing them to trinket ground or use a teammates cooldowns assuming its 3s)
idk why there are so many posts about shaman purge and not sp purge
shaman purge should get 2 spells since you don’t get any maelstrom or really anything else from pressing it rofl, just nerf rshams mana cost accordingly
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I thought they made IV and AP non-purgable. Am I missing something here?
Yeah honestly just remove triune from the game and increase the mana cost of all purges significantly.
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OP is a genius yes, absolutely, we should remove shaman purge from hitting combust. Not good gameplay, not fair. They already have grounding/shear. I think combustion should increase damage done to shamans specifically by an additional 25%.
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Tell me what happens when a double mage que against Elly/rsham in 2s.
Yes in 3s a shaman can be cc’d eventually but a good rsham is just pillar hugging/kiting and los’ing every CC besides a rogue’s step/blind.
And a good mage is covering his go’s… You’re really reaching.
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To give a fair non-troll response, combustion is the last major offensive CD in the game that’s purgeable. If you think inherent to design that’s dumb based on the fact that literally no other major CD can be stopped by purge except it, that’s fair.
But fire mage is doing insanely well in rep. It has a number of advantages that other casters won’t. Combustion having counterplay is one of the few things that offers any counter to certain mage comps (mainly RMX which is by a pretty far margin the strongest atm). Fire mage has three viable schools to cast from, if they’re night fae/necro even more. Personally like combustion having some counterplay.
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You can also purge frost brain freeze, and clear cast procs.
People will just say learn to play, but I agree that spam dispell is OP against mages.
You can’t dispell any other major CD. Mage is built around combust and shamans and priests can just rid you of it.
Meanwhile hunters can literally spam aimed shot, which cannot be interrupted.
Clearly broken, imagine if you could just dispell warriors defensives and offensives.
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Assuming not troll because I know some people haven’t played and weren’t aware of the change, you can no longer purge IV/AP. Only combust now.
Nerf polymorph and we can think about buffing mages in other areas
Even with a nerf to poly fire mages wouldn’t need buffs.
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I just came back to the game after a break. I did not know this. Guess I missed that blue post. Glad blizzard realizes that excessive purging is not ideal counter play.
I assume frost mage DPS procs can still be purged. Probably why the shaman was chain purging my frost mage in the 1st games I played.
I just checked the blue post. You’re right about IV/AP. I’ll update my thread to correct this.
Brain freeze and hot streak are still considered magic buffs I believe, so yes, these can be purged. Frost’s win condition atm is huge one shot frostbolts often linked up with brain freeze during necrolord skele mage & IV windows, so may have been purging you to stop the brain freezes, may have just been doing it because people love spam purging mages in general.
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Yes, I’ve been watching the frost mage play. It seems a little broken. Kind of disappointing. I’m sure blizzard will nerf the necrolord mage power so the damage doesn’t stack with the frost deep shatter PVP talent. Seems like the easiest solution.
I know the reason combust could not be dispelled was mainly due to how broken it was in BFA, but now it really doesn’t have the same impact it did previously. So I’m all for it being changed like IV and AP was.
Oh, another poor, disenfranchised Mage post. It must be Sunday.
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