The flexibility this allows for is a huge win in my eyes for elemental.
Not sure how to feel about this. Tiqqle’s math showed Fulmination was a buff to generation on single target. Wonder if they will change the generation rates. I just hope this isn’t a sign that they’re simply giving up on Ele. Is the generation from Totem Mastery going to be given baseline? Or will the talent return?
Like I said over a week ago to some, Fulmination wasn’t worth the hassle and a nerf. Glad they’ve reverted it and saw sense.
MS is better than Fulmination is nearly every way possible.
Questions that we need to wait and see at this point. I too hope this doesn’t mean they are giving up but will actually address what the issues were with BFA elemental rather than try to rework the resource because enhancement got it removed ( which is all this has felt like).
He’s not wrong about ST but maelstrom was more forgiving for flexibility and switching between ST and AoE. You can also pool maelstrom longer than fulmination stacks.
Im pretty happy with this. Honestly ele works more or less fine as is on live. All I want is for there to be some way for LB to cleave.
Maelstrom works perfectly, and the spec has never felt better than it did in Legion/BfA, from a rotation perspective. There was no need to rebuild the system and I’m glad they realized this.
Now fix flame shock please.
And get rid of earthquake so we can be aoe sith lords again. Who else played ele in MoP?
Only if they revert dmg of ES. If dmg is still poopoo then no it isnt. The math clearly points this out. Was swimming in fulm stacks
Except in terms of single target generation. It is, as Bubblies has pointed out, better for flexibility, as well as for AoE. But both LB and LvB generate less MS than Fulm on single cast and overload by a decent amount. Granted this does put Icefury in a better spot.
Mostly I’m just concerned with what this will mean. With them reverting instead of refining, the amount of work being done to Ele is narrowing pretty quickly. I just worry they will revert and tell themselves “good enough.”
I’m glad to hear it. Maelstrom was awful for Enhancement, but perfect for Elemental, imo. Being able to Lava Burst burn targets while fueling Earthquakes for AOE is important flexibility, and I hated having to use only CL to build Earthquake, and only LB to build Earth Shock. After they reverted that requirement Fulmination was pretty much just Maelstrom with a different name.
I would like to see Surge of Power or Master of Elements be made baseline, as both spells cause you to weave your spells in a way that benefits one another. Enhancement got that treatment with their new Talents, and that synergistic play style is more engaging and fun.
I too preferred fulmination from what I played on the PTR. Having discrete stacks of fulmination, with very clear resource generation: 1 for LB, 1 for LvB, 1 for lightning shield ticks, and 1 for overloads, is much more intuitive than the variable maelstrom generation across various spells & overloads.
In addition to the ambiguity of resource generation native to the maelstrom paradigm, the tuning of LB’s maelstrom generation just feels bad. A 2s cast time spell that deals measly damage and only generates 8 maelstrom (relative to a 60 maelstrom ES cost) makes the spell feel pointless. Having it generate 1 stack of fulmination (=10 maelstrom) and having overloads generate equivalent resource, just felt better.
Stacks vs resource bar is an aesthetic change I don’t care about. But I hate to see the increase in resource acquisition rate be thrown out with the bath water. Would love to see the resource generation from the fulmination paradigm be implemented within the maelstrom environment: 1 LB (overloaded or standard) -> 10 maelstrom. Having 100+ maelstrom cap is also nice, since it enables strategic resource pooling.
Considering how low priority I feel single target is. I believe in the raid tier, for example, while its a mix of st/cleave/ae fights…the ST fights are mostly in the earlier easier fights.
ST is just not a priority for me in SL right now.
If we can get AfS fixed to work with EQ, and some sorta QoL for FS. Whether it be LvB adding duration to current FS on target it hits, extra charge(s). Whatever. I see no CD FS as out of the picture at this point, but I will take nearly any alternative to not make FS so awful to keep up/spread…Then from a DPS mechanic perspective, I will see SL as an solid improvement. Right now I already see SL Ele as better than BFA Ele.
Removing Fulmination to revert back to MS was a major feedback issue that I am happy they listened to.
lol what a mess
Still dont know why Ele Blast STILL cost a resource. Sure it’ll replace an earth shock but still…
Tiggle is more concerned with arena I guess where ST is king.
Fulmination was better for Ele there
It is still going to depend on what other changes they make. The last changes they made with fulmination generation actually made fulmination better for both ST and AoE.
Things you have to keep in mind:
- ES is not suppose to be a big dmg spell in SL. Do they change this back to BfA?
- EQ is still our big dmg spell in ST and has a cast time that is reduced and dmg increased with fulmination stacks. Do they keep this style with maelstrom or do we revert back to BfA?
If they revert these 2 back then we are back to BfA ele. Nothing changed but some spell dmg modifiers and we get lightning shield, some talent changes, HST, CH.
- How will they alter LvB+OL, LB+OL, CL+OL maelstrom production?
As it stood with fulmination I was swimming with stacks in both ST and Aoe. I could drop 3 EQs with SK+EchSh.
How are they going to tie the two systems together to make it smooth.
And if you looked at their explanation for changing back to maelstrom it clearly says it was because people were use tonthe resource bar and not looking for a stacking buff. So instead of forcing players to turn on an option or making a special ui notification system (aura at 5stacks that grows to 8 stacks) they just go back to the last save point.
EDIT: So on PTR and they just rolled everything that dealt with Fulmination generation and spending back to BfA maelstrom to include the generation.
LB 8 Maelstrom OL +3. (Nerf to ST) generation
LvB 10 maelstrom OL +4 (Nerf to ST) generation
CL 4 maelstrom per target. OL+3-4 (buff AoE) (sure this will be nerfed)
If it overload 4 times I get +3 maelstrom per overload for a total of 28 maelstrom. If it overloads 7 times I get +4 maelstrom per overload for 40 maelstrom.
EQ now does crap dmg
ES actually does good dmg
No buff to CL
CL still has same handicap to where only worth casting on 4+ targets
106 ilvl without dmg buff procs
LB crits 1500-1600
LvB crits 1700-1900
CL 300-400 , 730-760 crit
EQ 145-150 tick, 370 crit
ES 1350-1400, 3450-3600 crit
I do like that CL OL give maelstrom and on mass pulls you can generate massive amount of maelstrom. You can still game EchSh+SK to drop 3 EQs.
I do like that you can pool over what you need for ES/EQ and they dont consume all.
I do like that you can run a high crit/haste build and still be LB focused and not dependent on a LvB build. Without legendaries and conduits I still dont think LvB centered build is gonna be there, especially with the loss of NH+IP. I think LB build based around EchSH+HV+SE will be a solid choice for ST/Cleave/AoE
I do not like that EQ does poopoo dmg now and that ES does good dmg. I was really liking the idea that ele turret style was gonna make a come back and if you let us free cast we would do great dmg. However it appears we are back to builder spender.
I am curious how this will change the conduit that effects ES. If this isnt adjusted then it will likely get gutted like lava shock repeatedly was.
LOL now Fire Ele doesnt extend FS length. LOL.
So Im curious. For those saying that now with the change back from Fulmination to maelstrom SL Ele>BfA Ele WTF are you smoking???
And FS still have the lower duration and lower ticks?
We are **ed
This is a change I am still holding out for. Give us a charge or two extra of FS or extend its duration to 21 seconds.