That’s a matter of opinion, so I won’t yuck your yum, but it isn’t an MMORPG, that’s for sure.
If a game is fun, it will evitability attract a community of players.
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Yep. It has a population. A much smaller population than when it was an MMORPG, and smaller than a rerelease of a 20 year old version of the game, but a sustained population none the less.
Again, nobody is trying to take away your MMO Lobby ARPG. You guys can continue playing it.
There’s a very large community of people who like playing WoW as an MMORPG. Blizzard’s pitch on pristine servers was an attempt to get those players back.
They need to do something else to get them back again, right now, because they haven’t released anything for that group of people (4 million players) since 2019 Classic ended 5 years ago. They’re all but gone, and it’s because the second “no changes” was out, boosts and MTX came in, and it’s only gotten worse. Era is no replacement for a progressive Vanilla server, but pristine servers could be an interesting half measure.
Remix proved nothing, we already knew people were buying runs since the game launched, it just got more and more prevalent over the years until the token was introduced and it signalled Blizzard being ready to accept it and take their share of the pie.
I have no idea what you’re ranting about.
A game that is fun is generally considered a good game. Good games generally have a largely population of players.
“Remastering”/“Re-releasing” a game only exists due to demand to continue enjoying it. I think the best examples of this are Skyrim and Halo: MCC with Halo: CE getting upres’d graphics.
Vanilla/Classic ran its course three times.
- Original run.
- Classic 2019.
- Classic Hardcore.
Classic WoW takes too long to enjoy for most modern players.
Blizzard doesn’t need to release anything “right now” for those players. WOTLK ended fairly recently, which was generally considered the “real Classic WoW era” (Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK). Season of Discovery is on hold while the team focuses on Cataclysm.
If you’d like a “fresh Vanilla server”, that’s more than okay to want. In my opinion, the demand is extremely low at this time. Between Plunderstorm, Remix, SOD, Classic Era, Classic Mainline, Retail, and TWW Beta, there are A LOT of ways to enjoy WoW… maybe to the point where it’s too much. Another version of WoW would be piling on to a bloated list.
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“Progressive Vanilla Server” would be Retail or Cataclysm Classic. Those both are progressing. Era was not meant to progress it was meant to be Vanilla.
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A “Pristine” server is really more about each person wanting their own individual server where they’re the first to max level, the first to BIS gear and the first to all the cool drops so they can sit around on their mount in Org/SW and have people marvel at them.
They might as well just make it a single player game for some people with AI NPC admirers swooning over them and not tell them that the other people were AI, it’d scratch the same itch.
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No. Not even a little bit. Did you even look the graph? Player numbers are fine.
The point is you have nothing but empty words. I ask you for details and the best you can do is, ‘duhhh…ummm… non linear tale telling’ as if that means anything. How about some examples?
I don’t think you could be more out of touch if you tried. You are absolutely clueless. If blizzard wanted to sell boosts, they would make leveling like it was in vanilla, you know, kinda like what you want it to go back to? With the remix event going on you can level a fresh alt to max level in a day or less. Seems like a counterintuitive way to sell boosts,no?
You can read a graph can’t you? That line going up for DF means more players. I know you desperately need to push the narrative that the game is going to die very soon if you don’t get your pristine server, but the numbers don’t support you, sorry.
There is nothing to explain, it’s just a dumb idea that has zero appeal next to things like seasonal servers and ongoing events. It’s like you want to build a house without indoor plumbing and actually think that is a main selling point a lot of people would be excited for. Totally delusional. It’s no surprise your a madseasonshow enjoyer.
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MANY more times than that, and look, there’s still an audience!
If they want those subs back, they do. Seemed plenty concerned about it at that conference.
You’re suffering survivor bias. Every release of Vanilla is massively populated. There isnt anything for those players right now.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it isn’t backed by evidence.
Again, this post is about pristine servers, not fresh Classic.
The graph ends at peak SoD, which saw a whopping 2 MILLION players return and resub. SoD is in the can with less than 50k players. Sub counts are far from what they were 5 years ago.
I’d be a real idiot to waste time fleshing out details for someone like you. The point is that the devs are incentivized to keep questing boring.
I want it to be like that ON PRISTINE SERVERS. You can continue playing your garbage shell of a game. Newsflash: MoPR leveling sucks and retail leveling sucks. It is zero challenge and fast without being quick, which makes it a chore. Vanilla leveling takes time, effort, and is made easier via community interaction, which makes it an MMORPG.
Evidence points contrary.
You’re terrified because you think that if it’s created and does well, then maybe the version you play will be even less populated and become unsupported.
No, these are the only “vanilla” experiences offered. I didn’t add SOM or SOD on purpose. Classic 2019 and Classic Hardcore were aimed squarely at modern audiences.
Players want new ways to enjoy a vanilla era experience. That’s why SOD was wildly successful, because it was a “Classic+”-like game mode. The hype ran its course and now SOD in on the backburner for a short time.
The price of a WoW sub has a very high value, relative to other subscription-based games. Being able to play any version of WoW, plus their experimental projects, like Plunderstorm or Remix, is a good way to add value to the subscription. And because the value is pretty good (many players will play both Classic and Retail), it helps retain subscribers.
“If they want those subs back” – No. That’s not how it works. There isn’t a market for it right now. We literally just did “Classic”, and players want a real Classic+ experience.
- New quests
- New dungeons
- New raids (includes 10mans)
- Improved PVP
- Improved tuning
- Improved anti-cheat/anti-botting practices.
- Less inconvenience (more graveyards, summoning stones, Group Finder/non-matchmaking)
SOD isn’t a what Classic+ experience really is, but it’s pretty close. SOD has highlighted a lot of major issues to consider when building a Classic+ gametype. Their biggest failure so far is the alt-unfriendliness. This issue mostly comes from Runes due to their impact on gameplay performance.
A “pristine” server is just Classic 2019. We did that already. Far fewer players will participate. The population of Classic Era realms should be a barometer for interest. That is to say there is virtually no interest. As soon as SOD went on the backburner, the population crashed and moved to Cataclysm. Since many Classic players don’t want to play Retail, S4 is of little value to them. By your logic, these players should be clamoring for Classic 2019, but they aren’t. They aren’t playing SOD, they aren’t playing Cata, they aren’t playing Classic Era. They’re waiting for something new. And a “pristine” server isn’t new.
You are rather unpleasant to interact with. I’d rather you not be in this game’s community. Maybe it’s for the better Blizzard doesn’t offer a game mode you like. I hope you find a single player game, so you won’t continue to call other people “idiots” and such. In fact, go install a 1.12 server module and play a “pristine” server by yourself.
Don’t worry, Blizzard won’t send a takedown notice. They’d retain more players if they purged the community of players with your attitude.
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You said WoW was at an all time low, which is demonstrably false. The population is healthy and you are trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
I mean, I already think you’re an idiot who’s incapable of an original thought so it’s not like you have anything to lose.
You mean like paying a mage to PL you while you afk? Players were buying boosts from each other long before blizzard ever sold them. Face it, even classic players don’t care about the leveling process.
No it doesn’t. All those players saying WoW had less than 1 mil subs left got real quiet when those gdc slides came out.
The odds of that happening are roughly the same as you and meadseason starting a retail raiding guild together.
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I can’t handle conflicting opinions or conflict of any sort so I have you on ignore
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Pservers
Some, maybe. Less now after sod.
Says who?
Nope. Check the OP dork.
Feeling is mutual.
Then shut up, honestly. Nobody cares about your uninformed opinion on how successful something you wouldn’t play would be. Live and let live, and please shut up. Lol
The irony.
It’s literally Classic 2019 with less quality of life.
Why are you behaving like a child? Did you attach your personality to a video game?
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It isn’t. It’s literally as different as Vanilla and Dragonflight.
I’m honestly fed up with this contrarian evidence lacking naysaying for no apparent personal gain other than to keep players like me from having a way to enjoy the game. That seems childish, from where I sit.
That’s literally Classic 2019.
Lol.
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No it’s not, moron, it isn’t Vanilla.
Lol. It is.
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If it were it’d be a major improvement over what we have now.
No it wouldnt. It’s be just as good as Classic Era realms. And they’re dead realms.
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