I hate timer as well. It does nothing but to add pressure for tanks to plan routes and healers to sweat through large stressful pulls. It adds toxicity to the runs because everyone feels the rush.
I really hate this rush rush rush culture of the modern games.
i think youre putting together bad groups.
i play with my friends all the time. bad specs, lower-skilled players ect
no one knows what âplaying the content as intendedâ actually means. doing a +2 with your friends is the same as a +15 with your friends lol
The timer does cause a lot of problems. I too miss dungeon grinds.
If you read the OP, he literally did not even hint at what you wrote in your reply. You want to go all balz out through the M+, go for it! Same with the next higher key! He is asking for the timer to go the opposite direction so players that are not super leet will not be penalized by the timer, and let them get that next higher key, and why do you care if it takes them 2 hours to complete it? It wont affect you or any of the go go go players, you will have a choice on how you decide to play the dungeon, and not the timer dictating weather you progress to the next level or not. Because frankly, sooner or later it will get far to hard to advance for the slower players, and the time to complete it will no longer be worth it.
Thank you, you have exactly summed up what I clearly was unable to put into words. I appreciate you reading the post, you both understood my logic and skipped the sarcastic rants of the message. I made the post long and used self defaming words to weed out those who would not read nor use logic to form proper feedback.
I even posted on my highest Ilvl toon at that time with my achievements to show I have been playing for a long time and at the highest level as well, not as of lateâŠbut I have. I donât seek to stop the zoomersâŠonly make the content viable for ALL. I know my idea is not the bestâŠmaybe not even goodâŠbut it is different than what we have now and the game is dying now. M+ participation and Raiding is down. Change is good, WoW has nothing to lose at this point.
Again, thank you for the feedback and I hope this creates some talk and spurs ideasâŠI ignore the vitriol and toxic attacks. It is easy to ignore children and their selfish attitudes. I also donât post for those reasons, I will either see change or move on as those players wish, they may wallow in their copium.
So true. Until they switch course, and do something with M+, this game iss dead to me. You can only do so much Korthia before you are ready to give up. I have taken 7 alts through it and i am done. I will NEVER do mythic+ until they make changes to accommodate my play style, one that is the same as yours. My M+ team quit during BFA and i will NEVER pug!
The timer doesnt even matter. You dont even need to time all 15s in both tyrannical and fortified weeks to get ksm.
You get 252 vault rewards even if you fail, which is absurd.
What m+ needs is a reminder that itâs the solution for lack of end game content for CASUAL PLAYERS who didnt want to spend the time raiding.
Toxic community? What did you think would happen if you allowed the most rewarding loot in the game from content intended for a casual audience? Did people think serious high end players wouldnt take advantage of it and talk down to everyone they met in pugs who isnt super elite? OF COURSE thatâs what would happen.
Like it or not, the solution to m+ toxicity and overall enjoyment is to cap the rewards at ilvls less than mythic raiding ilvl.
That way there wouldnt be a reason for mythic raid prog types to constantly queue up and bad mouth casuals, because their less accessible content would be more rewarding, which it should be.
Either that, or open up mythic raiding lock outs. Even then, m+ gearing would still be substantially easier, so its not as good a solution.
People really need to understand that allowing 252 ilvl rewards for m+ isnt even in their best interest. And if you think you should get 252 from m+, then you dont get to complain about the m+ toxicity when itâs so obvious what invites it.
Tldr please
I want alot of things too like free 252 gear
Tbh it doesnât tend to be actual high end players who are the rude ones. Itâs usually the people who are s bit above 15s but canât actually crack real high end so the sit in the 15 to 20 range being rude to people they think they are better than
I read most of that wall of text and ⊠generally just shook my head ânoâ at it but let me just say this about that ^^
When comes to âjust let us struggle to the end and earn a rewardâ, what you just typed is something that gets repeated a lot around here, and is inherently false.
Because you can clear 15s at i230 without TOO much trouble. You may time it, you may not. But thatâs not the point. You WILL get gear in your vault.
And if youâre GUARANTEED i252 in your vault ⊠when youâre only i230 ⊠then you need to stop with the âI always get junk from the vaultâ nonsense because you are ALWAYS going to get an upgrade (certainly in the first week, and statistically for the next 3-6).
Once you do start tilting the percentages in favor of a duplicate, run 4 dungeons, youâll have more chances to tilt the odds in your favor.
All the while: you geared up, you learned more, both of which should make the dungeons easier⊠itâs a positive-feedback loop that takes 7-9 weeks before you can even begin to make this whiners-lament of âwaaaaaa the Vault is trash!!â
By the time you can make a legit claim that the Vault is trash, your gear would be at a level that wouldnât leave much room to complain about in the first place.
This all being said, it was then easier to ignore the rest of your post. Iâll assume itâs just a much larger whine in this vein.
Yea I donât get people complaints about the vault like that.
People I know are always saying things like âanother trash vaultâ and Iâm just like bro. You are 250 already what did you expect? How many items are there that are actual upgrades?
For me there is 1. I need the shoulders from heroic sylv and other than that their is only mythic raid gear to get but since we are locked out on sylv mythic there is nothing in my vault that can be an upgrade.
Oh except a 252 changeling to upgrade my246 one.
The fact I do t get vault loot that is an upgrade just geans Iâm super geared so I will take it as a compliment
The only time I can understand it is when someone does like only 1 a week and RNG decides to give you an item you already have equal or better then in bags if not equipped.
Yea or like what happened to my druid. Got 1 piece at 252 from friends kindly taking me through a 15 and it went in the slot with my lego lol. Thatâs just unlucky and not really a problem with the system.
you had to remind me 
honestly itâs rng. And if youâre only doing 1 a week you canât complain about getting rngâd when youâre not doing anything to help yourself
Itâs OK we are making prog now. Iâll give you my sac in p3 and we will be good. All also cast blessing of sacrafice on you 
I think there needs to be bad luck protection to some extent. Doing 10 keys in a week only to end up getting currency feels really bad
Why do people get currency though? Generally because they are already geared to the teeth.
Like for me there are very very few pieces that would actually be upgrades. I donât expect an upgrade any more because my gearing is pretty much done.
What I do think there should be is a deterministic way to get to max ilvl not needed the rng vault for the last few ilvls. Valor should go to 252
Overlap with dom socket, Legendary, really crappy trinket, poor stats, overlap with another 252 item.
Basically I feel that 10 keys is a huge time sink to end up leaving the rewards in the hand of RNG without bad luck protection