with the recent addition to M+ I was wondering how many times does one need to abandon an M+ before you get penalized. I only ask because out of the dozens (maybe even hudreds) of m+ I’ve run this season…I’ve only maybe run into like 5 or 6 people that actually left mid way
the suspension would be players that leave the group once the run starts or before the first boss pulls but if they key can not be saved is fine to leave or net problems or real life stuff happens,
but if you are not the one that leaves over and over in a group you be fine
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I think it would be completion rate of overall total number of keys + first person to leave the group as well as time left during dungeon.
Assuming you’re leaving after timer has depleted or that there were a ton of early deaths then the threshold for quits is likely to never be reached. There is no magical “boogeyman” number of quits you need to skirt under.
You just need to not be intentionally wiping your group then leaving or leaving immediately after the dungeon starts.
I think most players are capable of having that number be zero, right? If not you might have something to worry about but otherwise you’re gucci.
I don’t think it was based solely on the number of runs left. I imagine it was a ratio of runs left to runs completed for one thing. But also it sounds as though these were players who they investigated thoroughly. As was said in the post;
So I’d say some things said in chat also played a part as it might have supported the idea that they were leaving to be malicious, and not for any legitimate reasons.
Ultimately if you’re still here, whatever you’re doing is fine.
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My understanding, and others will certainly correct any errors I make here, is that the people suspended were intentionally leaving multiple groups as a malicious act or appeared to be at least and the ban is for essentially griefing. I don’t know if anyone was banned for just simply leaving a key here and there but I kind of doubt it. I doubt if they’d ban anyone leaving an occasional group, because that threat could easily be enough to kill M+ dead, and I gather from an interview I saw with Ion that he’s very much a fan of M+. This level of gameplay is one I’ve intentionally avoided simply because it pressures people into becoming their worst selves, not that all of them need any help there. I’m not perfect, and that sort of toxic environment isn’t fun for me.
hhmmm, thats odd.
this is the first time this question has come up
hopefully a CM will pin a post about it soon.
So in theory people who get into the “nightmare group” that can’t even pass the first packs of trash will be subject for penalties?
Wish Blizzard actually clarified instead of just staying silent on an issue that they obviously need to be specific on.
Since this has to be automated, how I would code a solution that punished players … I would look at the following data points … rate of abandonment (# of times abandoned vs # of runs) over a certain time period (past week, past month, etc. - whatever makes sense) and finally (if possible) at what point in the dungeon they left. Then decide at what point to ban based on the metrics.
So if a player attempts 8 keys and abandons 5 or 6 of them overn the course of the week all under 5 minutes into the key, then something like that probably gets the ban.
I assume blizzard is doing something similar, but at what thresholds gets the ban is anybody’s guess.
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Which is why key pushers are concerned, because if you wipe on the first pull in Stonevault the key’s dead. Not the first boss: the literal first pull of the dungeon, where you need to pull three or four packs and use every CD in the book to kill them.
no this is for the troll that wait till that part
Gonna be blunt when I get into nightmare groups where the tank overpulls off the rip resulting in a wipe I just leave. It’s obvious my time is just being wasted by someone who can’t be reasonable when doing the key. If they are going to punish me for it I’d love them to clarify so I can cease pugging altogether and play with my friends exclusively.
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they will not do this due to the key breakers will not be punish. if you leave on one pull on a whip you will not be punish for it but continue to do so will be problematic on you
This reply is exactly why they’ll have no choice sooner or later. You’re inciting unnecessary panic in a community by using vague boundaries as to what constitutes punishment and what doesn’t.
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As long as you are not joining a new group every 15 mins, I would say you are fine. Every 5 mins and pulling before you leave? Get ready to get banned. They are not punishing people who leave… they are punishing people who leave excessively and disrupt groups by griefing.
They keep it vague because when people don’t know, they hope it makes everyone think twice before bailing on a run. That alone is going to dampen complaints about people leaving.
This season so far I’ve probably left about 20-30ish and I haven’t been punished.
It’s definitely made me think twice. I now force myself to stay and if I plan on leaving due to wipes I ask the group if they want to make it the last attempt.
It would be far more than the average player would abandon. A couple here and there isn’t going to earn you a suspension given things happen, or the tank or healer or DPS simply cannot do the key at all.
The ones that got suspended are the ones who were trolling keys, or leaving so frequently because they were probably the issue to begin with and when things looked even remotely hairy they dropped.