I understand there is a debacle of making the gear to high and then nobody raids. What I don’t understand is how doing a 20 key is only 405 gear?
In my opinion a +19/20 is much harder than most heroic raid bosses (Outside of maybe Raz) where the mechanics don’t change every week and once you know it you know it.
Just feels really off doing content that is more or less equivalent to Mythic raid in terms of difficulty but yet you basically get normal raid drops?
Its kind of nuts to me that a 15 key will basically get you literally normal quality loot. And probably only 30 percent of the games player base even does 15+.
Not asking for 420 pieces out of my 18/19/20’s but like at least equivalent to Heroic raid would be nice. Your gear should scale in ilvl with the difficulty of content regardless of what that content is.
I don’t understand this penalize certain groups of people so they do all the content mentality. At some point you are literally only doing keys to do them. You aren’t even contemplating drops in the dungeon because they are way under what you would need anyways. And 750 valor a week ensures you cannot even upgrade them to viability. You literally cannot even upgrade a weapon once a week off of what they give you.
Idk maybe I am just nuts, but knowing I can walk into heroic raid and down 6 bosses in literally like 3 hours and get 411+ gear off them. Then turning around and doing a +19 and I get handed a 405. Knowing the entire time that the 19 key felt way harder than those raid bosses. Just personally doesn’t feel right to me.
Would like other people’s thought’s. To me it feels kind of rough.
Yes you can. However even doing 20’s you are getting loot that is basically normal raid qaulity. How is that fair? Again not asking for Mythic Raid qaulity gear. Just feel like it should be more on par with Heroic than it is.
Trust me try a 20 key, you will understand what I am saying.
In terms of difficulty and ilvl there is way to far of a gap. It would be like doing Mythic raid and the boss drops you 398 loot. You would be like uhhh what?
Upgradable to 415 with valor (equal to mythic bosses 1-4)
421 gear in the vault (equal to mythic bosses 5-6)
The only realistic source of concentrated primal focus to craft 418 gear.
That sounds pretty rewarding when you actually type it all out and don’t end your argument with just 405 gear.
Also, killing 6 bosses of the heroic raid means 4 of them drop 402, 2 of them drop 408, and you didn’t kill any bosses that drop 411. So, again misleading. You also only get primal focus for 405 crafted gear, not 418.
I think it’s on a better spot. M+ is a highly farmable content and giving them fairly high gear is abit unfair to the other end games like raiding and pvp. I’m not sure how I feel about valor I think they should rethink the cap but other than that I think it’s fine
TBH even with this I think I’m done w/ raids. I dont really wanna do high end raid anymore and M+ gives me the joy of doing hard content.
For Mythic raid on average only about 1 percent of the player base attempts this content. For 20+ keys only around 1 percent of the playerbase does these. One gives 405 the other gives possible 421. There is a massive gap between the two, and both are extremely hard to accomplish.
You say upgradeable and again I already went over this in the OP. You get 750 valor a week. You can’t even upgrade your weapon once a week. So yes you can technically upgrade your gear. However you are talking months and months of progress. You talk about it like I can just go upgrade all gear to 415 in two weeks.
You talk about vault gear? This has nothing to do with anything at all so literally wasted comment. Even if you don’t do M+ you can get vault rewards. It’s also completely based on RNG. For example this week I got a 418 and two 415’s and all 3 were downgrades. So considering vault gear to be M+ gear is awful silly when you can do 0 M+ and get a vault piece from raiding or pvp.
You bring up crafted material? Whats that have to do with anything? Even if you get the items to upgrade the gear, you still have to spend gold/real money to craft and upgrade the item? Crafted gear has nothing to do with M+ gear regardless. They are two whole different things in general.
Another thing you failed to mention is that the keys you are talking about 18/19/20 are all hard. You aren’t always timing them. Guess what happens when you don’t time them? You get even lower level gear. When is the last time a raid boss gave you lower ilvl gear because you wiped 20 times on it?
So no this doesn’t sound rewarding at all.
Your highest key is a 14, you cannot even relate to the difficulty to begin with? Being so opinionated about something you don’t even do yourself seems silly?
Again all I am saying is. If you compare a +20 to Mythic raid in terms of difficulty. Why does one give 405 and the other gives possible 421? In what world is that balanced? Again a +20 should drop closer to Heroic raid. If you fail a 20 you get 402 loot.
Not to mention all the raid gear in general is just better period. Most BiS trinkets are all from the raid and usually better even at a lower ilvl. Many of the BiS weapons, tier etc The quality between the two both ilvl wise and power wise are at a huge disparity.
Just let me know when you do your first 20 key and how rewarding a 402 ilvl piece feels when you finish it, since you seem to have the most insight here with a 1800 io character.
Yeah, I agree. I do wish 20+ dropped higher gear like 408 for +20 and 411 for +21, both only if you time the key. 750 valor per week is too little to make any significant gear improvements without another spark or mythic raiding. Otherwise, you have to keep hoping the vault gives something good and/or hope you actually win a roll in mythic raiding (if any upgrades actually drop lol).
Ok so what happens when everyone is full 405 from M+ and doesn’t like to raid? Raiders just get to come into M+ end of the raid tier and blow us out of the water? Seems good to ostracize your community like that. Especially the community that specifically likes M+.
The only way around this is literally valor and you get less than enough for a single weapon upgrade every week. That isn’t very great.
Literally I am personally at the point with gear where even if I time keys higher than I have ever done before, I will still not get any upgrades. That just doesn’t feel rewarding at all, how you could think it does no idea.
To me personally if I am taking on a harder goal each week I would like to feel rewarded with my progression.
How is it supposed to feel good when last week your highest key was a 13 and then next week you are doing 16’s because you progressed your character to where you could do them. And you can get nothing of value from them? Even though you are progressing?
By the end of raid tier valor will be uncapped and you’ll be able to get 415 on all your M+ EoD pieces, plus whatever 421s you have from GV by then, and/or however many 418s you’ve had crafted.
That is completely RNG. That you cannot use to target anything off of. You should never be depending on vault as your only upgrade every week. When you are investing 5-8 hours even doing your 8+ keys. If not more than that because many people do. Most people would like to have a goal to pilot towards.
