Some being the word.
Mythic raiders benefit more from mythic+ than anyone. They’re also the top runners for mdi on top of raid world firsts. All those people at the top getting that max gear are all accomplished heroic/mythic raiders. There are very few runners completing 10+ or higher keys that aren’t raiders.
I’ve never once since mythic+ began came close to an actually good raiders ilvl. I’d have to get nearly all titanforged slots just to push the ilvl close to those that mythic raid and get forges of their own.
You call it low effort
I call it engaging.
Not everyone wants to sit around and raid for 3-4 hours straight on raid nights while they ignore the world around them. This is simply an alternative gearing path that Blizzard deems acceptable and based on its popularity others seem to think so too.
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Honestly, I’m pretty sure it may be doable, I can’t say since I haven’t fully tried as I am a heroic raider, pvper and M+ person on my main so I get gear from three different sources (however PvP isn’t really a reliable source to get gear and it hardly gives ILvL comparable to PvE content.) Regardless, still 3 forms. However, I only ever do M+ to actually gear through means of alts that are usually only purely meant for PvP and as I dislike relying solely on the PvP gear, I never usually raid unless it’s a putz around night, already got AOTC and don’t have much else to do. Then we’ll accept alts, but even then I usually go on my main to make sure we can maintain certain numbers at least, just in case though usually unrequired.
In any case, my priest who currently only has benthic & mythic+ gear is currently 401, only a few digits lower than my main who does 10s weekly, runs m+ and raids weekly. Whereas the alt has done world quests, a few low (+2s max) m+ and bought benthic gear to even do low m+. But, again I’m not entirely certain she’d get max numbers I have? Maybe if I ran m+ 10s every time until I got what I wanted to minmax efficiently, etc.
Edit : I haven’t tried to see if this is doable simply because that’d be content overload and I might explode if so lol.
Edit edit : Also, since it was suppose to be an alternative from raiding im sure there may be some sort of equivalent…idk.
True, and some players can’t. I landed a massive ghostwriting gig at the beginning of the year, and I can’t set aside three scheduled nights a week to raid.
Mythic+ scratches the itch of completing content that’s challenging (for me), while still being able to keep up with my raider guildmates in terms of gear.
Boots, gloves, and bracers for me. 425 benthic can’t be beat by any 455 raid drops in those slots let alone any M+ drops
i think you mean “some of us slave our life energy to someone richer then us for colored paper”
ya thats YOUR choice haha
im self employed/ basically retired by 30 myself
ihave all the time in the world to spam M+
guess YOU should have made better financial decisions pleb
That’s a problem in regards to the level of intensity Benthic seems to have. There have been multiple complaints - from my guildies included - that benthic gear, a low, quite very low Ilvl gear compared to actual other forms of PvE content seems to somehow beat the high end gear. I do find it quite annoying and absolutely ludicrous.
Edit : However I do think It’s strictly in regards to raiding gear, as benthic isn’t necessarily bis in things like PvP, I could be wrong but I don’t usually see other PvPers using benthic and I’d never use it for PvP in comparison to other gear.
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Not gonna speak on OP’s behalf but read the other thread posts, you can run more than one m+ a week you just wouldn’t be able to run more than one +13 WC as an example. You would be free to run any other key for the week just no repeat runs to stay in accordance with the tradition of a weekly lockout that M0s have. Although I will say that you shouldn’t be punished for running a repeat key. You can run it but all you will get are TR and an actual good amount of AP (similar in AP efficiency of legion m+) for your time spent.
Of course if the weekly lockout for raids were to go away and the same for base mythic then m+ would remain logically consistent in terms of repeatability with other forms of content.
Essentially the core problem that is coming up is that m+ is a far better use of your time overall in terms of gearing alone than doing the other activities alone respectively. Raiding rewards being trumped by benthic lottos, running heroic is more sane and feasible to fish for titanforging to get mythic quality gear. Mythic gear isn’t cost effective (the appearances aren’t that great either). PvP is frustrating cause you have to work with and against people, and for the past few years has suffered a large drop off in population, leading to stagnation with loads of seasoned players waiting to gobble up newcomers who’s skillset is just not anywhere near the top. The rewards are lackluster as well, and the least deterministic of the three activities. M+ stands out as a gearing oddity, and really the only precedent from what I can remember in terms of spamming said dungeons comes from CMs. However even then again from what I can remember the reward for completing those was never close to raiding gear. Like 6.2 CMs gave 680 ilvl while normal hfc was 690.
Here OP, show me on the doll where people having fun hurt you…
I can attest to that. I have 455 gloves with a socket that are a dps loss to 420gloves with a socket. I think raiders just want their progression to come from raiding, not WQ grinds
Even though my 455s are nice in other forms of content, I raid to progress raiding.
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Careful with simming those benthic gloves. The sims show them doing damage 100% of the time when, in reality, they have a 50/50 damage/healing proc. They sim higher than they are in reality, althought hey are still quite good.
Maybe true, but they’re still competing with gear 30 ilvls higher. Something Ion has stated he wants to avoid yet let happen
Yeah I do think most people raid to progress raiding, the only downside is that now their raid gear more than likely isn’t better than what you have from outside raiding. But I’d love to have a 455 SOCKET 
how beautiful it truly sounds…
I also hate the idea of farming out pearls, rerolling benthic items till you get the item you want and then upgrade it as much as you can… blegh.
Interesting how people not posting on their mains, and 120’s that are posting have no score for this season, yet attest to how easy it is to abuse m+ for gear…
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That’s generally how it goes. The people that complain about M+ are the people that aren’t participating. The people who complain about Raider IO are the people who have no interest in pushing keys. It’s a never ending cycle.
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They never have any significant mythic+ achievements, either, from BfA OR Legion. They occasionally have AOTC.
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The reason I have been playing BFA all expansion is because of M+
I don’t raid.
I hardly PvP since I returned back in Legion.
I enjoy progressing and doing higher keys when I m ready to do them.
I have met some good people grinding keys.
I enjoy doing low key M+ on alts for fun.
Yet because it’s not consistent with raid lockouts, you want to curb something because the top 1% can efficiently gear themselves through M+?
So if the OP has his wish, the hardcore causal I am won t have a path to gearing and become forced to raid to keep up in ilvl to just to progress in M+ when I don t have the time or patience for it.
Bravo!
How in any way, does this affect you OP? I know you do these posts just to troll, but I’d like to know what your “made up” premise is.
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I don’t know about others but I actually have a specific reason of not posting on my main, and I don’t push +15s and 16s or even 20s by any means but I’ve definitely done my fair share of keys even done 14s…last season? Maybe the season before that, I can’t remember. However, I did take a half a month break awhile ago and just came back.
Personally though, I’m unsure why the complaint of no lockout on M+ is a thing… 
I much prefer M+ over raiding, esp since the affixes make things a bit different and the seasonal affixes are fun when they are first introduced. At least for me, idk.
Edit: I’m also by no means a good player 
. I’m just casual and try to do my bestest as a smol pleb.
So we did what we always do, and Blizzard suddenly couldn’t keep up, and it’s our fault? That’s an interesting spin.
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