Raids are on a weekly loot lockout. Mythic dungeons are on a weekly loot lockout. Mechagon is on a weekly loot lockout.
Other than mythic raids, they all drop substantially worse ilvl loot than M+. Yet for some ludicrous reason you can spam M+ all day every day, raking in far superior loot. Not only that, but you also get mythic raiding quality loot guaranteed from the weekly chest.
It makes absolutely no sense and completely ruins gear progression in the game.
The reason is the WoD content draught.
People chewed through story quests as they will always do and then QQ’d endlessly that there was nothing to do other than raid log.
If you look at Legion as a whole it every decision they made was based around giving the players ALWAYS something to do, be it grind AP, spam M+, or farm infinite rep boxes for mounts and toys or whatever.
M+ was designed to be infinite content, if it was just a weekly chore to knock out ppl would be back on the forums crying they were bored asking for the next patch / expansion. (Not that they dont already do this, but even more so)
M 0’s are and they’re the only type that drops per boss and they have a loot lock out.
You only get a drop from the end chest maybe 1/4 times. Something useful maybe 1/10 of the time. So 40 boss kills for a drop…
Seems fair.
So just like raids and dungeons then, except you can spam M+ all week long but can’t do it for the other content.
Why should you be able to spam M+ for better-than-raid loot?
If someone wants to run 20 tens in a week for maybe 2 good drops, what do you care?
They put the work in, why do you want to tell them they can’t?
Emissary caches, war fronts, benthic, and just doing a single 10 are much more cost effective use of time.
The lack of lockout for mythic+ suggests mythic+ is a gift to raiders so they can gear up fast. Meanwhile, the lockout for mythic 0 appears to be intended to keep learners from getting in much practice and maybe moving up.
Heroic raiding gear gives same gear as mythic plus.
Its 20-40 minutes for a chance at a single drop. More if group isnt doing well.
You can clear several heroic bosses in that time.
For the chest, well thats a big gamble box. It allows people who dont like to raid a chance to get mythic level gear.
Also making on a lockout would not be good for how the system of moving keys levels works. It would make it painstakingly long just to push your key
But mostly not. Mostly raiders and highly competitive types are pushing high keys.
Which benefits those who normally push high keys anyway. Meanwhile learners are stuck with lockouts, crap loot, and no way to practice.
Maybe the system is “encouraging” them to buy carries…
Because I’d like to run 4 or 5 raid clears in a week and I can’t, yet hypocritically I can run as many m+ as I’d like, with better gear dropping and invalidating the raid gear anyway.
It’s not a chance, it’s a 100% guaranteed piece of mythic gear.
But that’s a weekly thing. It’s the ability to spam run M+ all week and gear yourself up so much that heroic raid drops are irrelevant that’s the problem.
Why can I only run the raid once a week, yet I can run M+ all week over and over for better gear?
Ur right it is 100%. Bad wording frome me.
I was trying to say that it is such a large loot table that for many players they havent gotten anything usable for weeks. It is mythic item level gear but highly inconsistent.
The issue is that you can clear a heroic EP much faster than you can do 8 mythic plus (all keys at lvl 10 to match heroic raid level gear).
Its not better gear than heroic (other than chest). Maybe there are some exceptional items but overall its basically dropping heroic gear from a +10.
No. If I want to spam M+ to increase my gear I should be able to. It’s one of the few things left in this game that’s not locked behind a time gate. Leave it alone.
Why do you care if i run Motherlode 10+ endlessly?
It’s an alternate gear path for those who don’t raid or have the people to raid. Not to mention, raids have more than one or two chances to get gear, considering how many bosses there are in a raid.
I just don’t understand these types of people. They want to take fun away from many people and for what reason? No real reason I can see.
If I squint I can kind of see a point where maybe people who don’t like m+ hate how fast you can gear because they think it’s costing them group invites because their ilevel doesn’t increase as quickly through only raiding.
But then again, that’s not everyone else’s fault.
Nah, M+ is fine the way it is.
The randomness of the gear is what balances the ability to spam them. Base level 430 gear is usually outclassed in raids by benthic or on-use/passive effect EP armor.
You have to rely on RNG on RNG to actually get something usable past 430.
I’m one of the one who did heroic raiding for a few years and I’m still burned out on it. Not sure if I’ll ever raid again. I love M+ because it gives me the chance for high level gear that is still EARNED.
I don’t get it either. I mean, I admit that I do miss a more linear gearing path. The type of content you did rewarded the appropriate gear and you had to go from one step up to the next to get your gear. Dailies didn’t reward you with raid level gear. That sort of thing.
But I think if they brought back tier gear and separated the gear in raids from what you can get in M+, the two can coexist without stepping on each other’s toes— and without limiting the drops.
The randomness is no different to the randomness of dungeon and raids.
You can complete a M+ 10 in 30-40mins. The end chest drops a few items that are raid quality. You can do this endlessly. But i can’t farm mechagon or EP endlessly.
Well as a level 20 you can’t run M+ at all so what’s the issue.