While Blizzard is on the path of implementing their own versions of add ons put natively into the game. One thing I think would be a great addition would be to add a M+ Scoreboard that comes up at the end of the dungeon. Similar to what happens at the end of a BG. Right when the dungeon ends, a Scoreboard flashes up that indicates: Total damage done, total interrupts, total dispels, total healing done, total avoidable damage taken, and total deaths for each player in the dungeon.
I think it’d be a very helpful tool for those looking to improve to easily see this information in a fairly non-intrusive way. It’d particularly help those who misuse damage meters by only looking at total damage done as their only metric of ‘playing well.’ If you can clearly see that the other melee in the group tripled your number of interrupts, it’s fairly obvious where you’re lacking.
Thoughts? The only down side I see is that it does open the door for people being toxic, but tbh… those sorts of people were already staring through their details logs anyway… so not sure it’ll change for those folks.
Pokemon Go has a number of categories at the end of a raid, including “Style Savant”. This scoreboard should also take players’ transmogs into account.
It really sounded exactly like that at the end of the run but that was literally all he said about it. Was short and not a lot but it gave me the impression of what you were asking for. They also said some of these features would be added and refined as things progress so might not be in initially but I think they have something similar in mind
We don’t really need Blizzard adding that score board. It would be much better if an Addon group did that. Then if they need information not given in the API, have Blizzard add an API routine that would provide that information.
For any given display we are much better off with addons because different addon groups can do different displays and if it really becomes necessary anyone can go into their LUA code and make changes to have it look the way you want it to look.
There is a Details! pluggin that does that right now, of course not native to the game, but what I’m getting at is that this thing also shows amount of CC cast by people and the ratio of interrupts, being missed or overlapped. Because the idea of just padding kicks isn’t good either, for 2 reasons, sometimes there’s stuff that we can let go in order to kick the right spells, also I’ve noticed some kind of “competition” with trying to kick spells as soon as possible instead of understanding that a casting mob is a mob that’s not doing anything. Kicking at the end of a cast is a million times better than kicking right when the cast starts, but if you wait someone else will “steal” that kick in the meters, so we are incentivized to do bad kicks just to look good on meters. It’s the equivalent on padding AoE on useless adds just to inflate DPS to a “fake” amount that doesn’t actually make the run go faster.
But there’s also no real solution to that. So showing overlapped kicks would indicate that you are actively trying to kick regardless of the actual amount of interrupted casts.
Tagging you in to spread the gospel. Details! pluggin does that if you want it right now.
yeah but there is kinda a difference in being able to search for that info like currently with details, and volunteering it out for the person at the end of the run. If they go through with something like that i would imagine it would be like just a couple good stats across the 3 roles for what ever they did well on. something like that feels more blizzish
I would just rather Blizz stay out of the addon world.
I really like being able to customize how I play the game and have no faith that Blizz would provide all the same level of customization the current addons provide.
As a healer, I just love cell and plater. Blizzard could really ruin the healing experience.
Yeah, I guess this is exactly my point. Your answer, and others in this thread is ‘Go download an add on’ and ‘Add ons do this better.’ My point is that, even as a long time player, I don’t think having the game require multiple add ons to actually make it work is a great strategy.
Also, what Details! Does is not what I requested. Oh it absolutely logs the information, but you have to actively dive into it to find all of the information. Is that hard to do? No it’s not, but that’s the point… I want this information front and center. It’s literally a meme that players ignore everything and assume overall DPS is the only thing worth evaluating. Heck, look at parse culture… It’s built around ignoring everything else going on in an encounter and solely staring at how much overall DPS did the player do.
I think having a simple scoreboard show up (again, just think about it like a BG) quickly showing how many interrupt went out etc.
Would their be bias’s like you mentioned? Oh for sure. If you have a prot pally in your group, you’re not going to be getting as many interrupts as usual. Will there be some overlapping interrupts that get missed on it? For sure! The point is though… if you’re consistently across all dungeons getting 1/3 the number of interrupts as the other melee in your group… Are you really going to say it’s ONLY because of overlapping interrupts?
It’s shocking to me the number of players I see do 3-4 interrupts across the course of an entire dungeon.
I disagree. I’m tired of the game nearly requiring a full UI overhaul to actually play it effectively…
Nah I was saying there is a pluggin that gives you a scoreboard popup at the end of a M+ dungeon, you don’t have to dig or anything, it does exactly what you asked and more. But yeah I get your point that it could be in the game and not have people download it, the thing is we have been playing this game and downloading things that aren’t part of the game for 20 years, not sure why it becomes a big deal now, people can just download it and not pretend it’s a big deal.
I already have real time addons that display most everything I’m interested in. But I wouldn’t be opposed to a popup at the end of dungeon other than obscuring the loot chest/trading gear at the end. Maybe if it was moveable/shrinkable.
You can have it open instantly when the run completes, have it open delayed, or just have it open when you’re done looting (default behavior), even with a delay if you want. You can also move it, and change the size.