M+ Needs your help!

I decided to turn something I discussed into a thread, please let’s show blizzard our feedback, and make m+ treated as equal as pvp and raids, that is all I want…

UPDATED

Now the best m+ gear is 6 below the best raid gear but instead of doing a 15 each week to get that m+ gear in vault, you have to do an 18 key for the gear in vault…

m+ is fooking screwed lol

The new KSM mount- entire expansion will likely be a recolor of this ugly (some may think it looks awesome, but it’s a ground mount in the end) useless ground mount while raids and pvp will get these fancy absolutely amazing dragonriding mount transformations.

It is clear now, that they don’t want m+ to be a pillar, the gear is lower than mythic second half loot too plus recycled dungeons most of us don’t want outside of timewalking. Legion timewalking literally gives us these m+ dungeons to run, why do we now need these same dungeons to take up entire patches?

Our gear is always inferior, our mounts and cosmetics are inferior, our actual content has technically been cut in half, I don’t count old content as worthy of a patch.

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Blizzard once again thinks it can force people to raid by ruining M+, when really they’re just gonna make people quit the game.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

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Reading this made me think about how we actually dont have transmog…we get the basic stuff that NO ONE USES. The stupid “mog” (if u can even call it that) is the same as what you get in a Normal run…

never really thought M+ was crapped on, but I guess it kinda is

An entire expansion of just a recoloring of that mount is gonna suck…really hope enough ppl hate it so it will be like the 500 mount reward they remade

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From what I saw too, it doesn’t look like it can fly.

Why would I want a mount that I can’t use in a new expac?!

Like, if it was a customization option for our dragons that would be ok or like the gladiator mount that would be ok.

I like this mount but it 100% should not be the KSM mount.

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Mythic raid or die.

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They changed the original 500 mounts achieve mount to the otter, so hopefully, they’ll do the same with this one. Make it a dragon riding skin/mount whatever! We’re in a flying expac!

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Did they announce the mythic+ gear level/reward scheme?

I hate mythic+, I hope they bring Heroic+ from classic wrath to retail so those of us who don’t want to play with garbage timers etc…or stupid negative affixes that only serve to annoy and inconvenience the players so we can have a nice time with scaling difficulty and take out time doing it, oh and the idea of prior raid tier items dropping from it is a great idea they have in classic heroic+ too if you bring it to retail.

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With the creation catalyst, which appears to be returning in Dragonflight, M+ players has easier access to the mythic raid transmog than mythic raiders do. It’s only the weapon transmogs you lack.

As for inferior loot, sure M+ has slightly lower ilvl than the last half of mythic raid but that’s in exchange for being highly farmable and much faster and easier gearing, especially if your BiS happens to conveniently be creation catalyst gear in which case you don’t even need to hope for a specific drop and can take any old trash.

Grass is always greener and all that. Believe me, raid gearing needs a LOT more help than M+ gearing, particularly when the only relevant loot raid has is the final half of Mythic.

As for the mount… sadly the same could be said for like 90% of mounts in the game. Blizz seems fascinated with giving out useless ground mounts and boring reskins for earnable in game mounts, and only really being new and creative for store mounts. So I agree here, Blizz can do better, but not just for KSM mount, but all mounts in general. Getting ~40 new mounts in a patch means very little when there’s only like 10 actual unique mounts, and even less when those unique mounts are mostly just slight reskins of older mounts. Quality over quantity please…

M+ should be a stepping stone between heroic 5man and LFR.

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What are you talking about this precedence has already been established. They recolored season four’s KSM mountain

the sad part is this mount is a RESKIN that will be RECOLORED until next expansion while pvp and raids get brand new models and transformations that exist nowhere else in the game. Plus at least end of mythic raids is gettable, you can get absolute bis in a raid, above anything m+ can get, even if we run 20s and 25s. And the creation catalyst is another L as it is timegated by 6 weeks while raiders get 1-2 set on week 1 2-4 set by the 2nd week soonest and most will have a 4 set by week 3 or 4. we get our first tier on week 6…

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Why do people compare KSM mount with Gladiator and Cutting Edge in the first place?

KSM should be compared with Heroic raid or Vicious mount at best.

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Another expansion of the Devs desperately trying to get people to raid. :skull: :ok_hand:

Do they? KSM is like the equivalent of 1600 in arena and probably not even aotc in raiding.

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That’s the weirdest thing, M+ers complain that PVPer get flying dragon and Cutting Edge get whatever it is they’re getting.

many of us would be fine if we could do keys on level 20 to get rewards on the same level as raids and pvp, I feel that requires a similar level of skill and dedication to reach.

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Datamined.

+18 end of dungeon rewards 402, vault 418, which on Beta currently is between Mythic boss 4 and 5 ilvl.

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M+ isnt as difficult. It requires less people. And not even near the skill for pvp. Raiding requires to coordinate many people. Five man dungeons with a timer and affix’s……the ilvl for m+ should be less than rated pvp and raiding. As it should be it’s getting nerfed to reflect the skill needed to do it

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M+ didn’t improve retention in the slightest, it actually got worse

M+ isn’t saving the game, m+ isn’t particularly in demand except from a small minority of players

And this with m+ being the easiest and fastest path to best gear

Sad truth is m+ is incredibly tedious and boring repetition

Way too many players felt compelled to do it for gear and hated it the entire time

Wake up

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Raiding is not the hardest content in this game. Jfc I wish people would stop saying that

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