M+ keys should not be gating out players from achievements

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To earn various M+ achievements (KSM, KSH, dungeon portals, etc), you must time all M+ dungeons at various levels. In fact, you will generally need to time the same dungeon twice due to the different points you can get from tyrannical and fortified weeks.

But, due to Blizzard’s system, you are unlikely to have the specific keys you want to run. This means you are not even able to attempt M+ runs at the desired level unless someone else who has the key invites you.

I don’t think there are any other achievements in WOW that are so dependent on another player’s willingness to invite you. Normally, if a player wants to go for the achievements, they can just go for it. Even mythic raiding, someone can technically make a group and try to pug it. Whether they will be successful or not is of course a separate story, but at least there is an option unlike trying to time specific M+ dungeons.

The keys should be unrestricted so they can be used at any dungeon. I think that would be a great QoL change for players.

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IIRC, Mythic keys don’t gate. You can form a group for a Mythic 0 and press the dungeon that way.

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I’d like to see them make the key a generic key that will fit any of the current dungeons at whatever level you’ve earned. That would be amazing.

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Well theres a few things you can do, 1. be friends with a tank so you can get into groups, or 2. keep running your keys till you get the key you need which is what im gonna have to do this week

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If people can join your group to run your key, why can’t you join their group to run their key?

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If you run/reroll your key enough you’ll get them all.

I’ve toyed with the idea of keys just being a level that can be used in any dungeon, but I expect that just comes out to doing the easiest dungeon 8 times for vault.

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I don’t see them doing this. Players will pick whichever is the easiest or quickest to complete and then spam that 1 dungeon for vault gear, and it would be hard to find groups for any of the others.

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Won’t happen because the last time we had any control over our keys people abused it by constantly running the easiest dungeons.

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I think we should made mythics harder

All 5 group members should be required to have the same key at the same level to group together

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This paladin got all portals by running their key back a bunch of times.

Got it up to a 20. Ran it got a portal. Dropped that down to a 20. Run it again. Oops didn’t time. Let me drop it to a 18 to make it ez pz. +2’d that 18 so I got a 20 again. Agh, its a 20 I already have. Welp run it back. Sweet timed it and got a 21 of a portal I don’t have. Drop it to a 20 and run it again.

This toon got all her portals rather quickly this way at the start of the season.

No one invited me so I made my own groups. And I just ran keys and rerolled my own hoping to get 20s I didn’t have. Very ineffective. But possible.

And I def don’t have a lot of time. So, its not like I no life’d this is one day.

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I know you can join other people’s keys to get the achievements done. In fact, you pretty much “have to” join other people’s keys to get them done, meaning you are at their mercy. This is why I feel the current system is an issue.

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I mean, it’s “group content”. You’re supposed to form groups with other people to complete these dungeons.

That’s not an issue.

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Even with current system, people constantly run the easiest dungeons for quick vault anyway.

People don’t run the hard dungeons except when they want some IO, or they are farming specific gear.

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It’s a MMORPG.
You have to play with others to push the content.
That’s not a problem, it’s by design.

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I never said group forming is an issue.

The problem is that I cannot form groups.

Let’s say I want to make a group and run a +20 Throne. Can I do it? Nope. I have a +20 Atal key.

So, I have to hope someone else who has a Throne key will invite me although I have a +20 key myself.

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Some people do this, yes. But there are a finite number of keys available for whatever is the “easiest” dungeon.

That’s the point of getting random keys. Of all the keys out there in circulation at any given time, only 12.5% of them are the “easiest”.

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Right, so you sign up for their +20 throne.

When you run your +20 atal, people who need that dungeon sign up for yours.

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Just require vault spots to only unlock for X unique dungeons. Or maybe max it at 2 runs per dungeon for credit.

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What is the point of restricting players to certain keys? What is being accomplished?

And if keys were unrestricted, what harm does it cause?

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If they let you run whatever you want, whenever you want, the community would decide that X dungeon is the fastest and easiest, and a huge number of people would only run that dungeon so they can fill up their vault, then they would stop for the week.

It would then become difficult to run anything other than the “meta” dungeon.

If you want to run your +20 Throne, but everyone else decided that BRH is the easy meta dungeon, you wouldn’t get anyone to join your group.

People would run +18 meta dungeon 8 times for vault, and maybe +16 meta for crests.

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