I dont know, i think M+ is pretty fun this season.
Tanks are actually very tanky, you can do mass pulls even in +12s onwards.
Farmed 400 Glided a few days on alts easily, anything below a 10 is so easy now that over 90% of my pugged +8/9 farm runs are timed this week.
M+ has gotten my new 80 alts item level to 620 in less than a week if you spam it enough, gearing up really hasn’t been this easy.
DPS is now more challenging and fun, I have to plan defensives on hard packs, ccs, dispels etc instead of just tunnelling the mobs while eating my big mac.
+10 for mythic vault is completely justified, anyone who has invested time upping their mythic score and learning dungeon mechanics will be able to get into +10 group to grab their mythic gear. Most pug 10s are a breeze now since we are so many weeks into the expansion. The only people that +10 gatekeeps are people not willing to learn and improve, or true casuals that play 30 minutes a day.
Toxicity is actually rare, if is a push key and we know we wont make the timer, poeple just say GG BL and group disbands. If its a crest farm/vault group people are generally very patient and can take many wipes without saying a word. Even when theres someone not knowing mechanics on lower key, most of the time the group just carry them to finish, without saying anything rude.
The only thing that I think M+ could be improved on is:
End of dungeon rewards needs to be improved, you might as well give us nothing instead of trolling with 50 gold.
Challenger’s Peril should be nerfed a bit.
Nerf Frost DK runnings around with their 10mil+ burst.
It depends heavily on the tank’s class, gear and generally if they have CDs to pull it off, and if the group dps can actually burn the trash down.
There’s a reason DH and Druid are the meta tanks this season, since they excel at everything so much tank-wise.
Again, depends. If its a premade group, yeah. If it’s a pug, the results are more hit-or-miss. Your experience wont match at all those of us or others.
Why increase the difficulty compared to DF 20s or S4 DF 10s, though? It feels like this one shouldn’t have been done. Either buff 10s but keep vault at 8, or keep 10s same as 20s from DF S3. Moving mythic track vault to 10s AND buffing 10s was a mistake, to the point its easier to pug first 4 palace bosses on mythic for 2 vault slots over doing 4 10s.
This one varies, trust me. I’ve seen my share of toxicity, even in high keys.
All in all, you don’t speak for me or most people. Most of us despise this season with a burning passion because of so many massive changes done at the same time instead of doing them progressively over the expansion. It’s so bad they had to do massive nerfs in many dungeons and also backtrack some of this changes.
Also, the fact not even the world’s best raiders, Liquid, can actually defend the terrible design choices of this M+ season is telling of how much they dropped the ball.
Maybe at your score most of the 10s you do succeed, you can be pickier since more groups will accept you. I’ve had the exact same key be a deplete and a +2 this week solely based on the DPS being better.
I was farming +9 Ara and SV trinket few days ago signing up completely random pugs, now looking back at the run history, like 18 out of 20 of those trinket farming runs are timed…so yea, im not exactly too sure where “the M+ too hard” is coming from, looks easy for just about everyone, if the success rate is so high.
M+ is analogous to ELO hell. The mid key levels won’t have the skilled individuals that can carry the key. Higher keys may seem easy but you are playing with much higher skilled players.
It’s like when upper middle class people complain about people on welfare sucking the system dry. They already have the credit score to get loans and live above the plights of those that can’t pay the interest off their traffic tickets. It’s an elitist and ignorant mentality.
Look at the stats, and note how TWW S1 is performing worse than DF S1, not to mention the consistent drop of participation on first 2 weeks of season, and until week 3 saw some significant changes, it didnt really go up.
And mark my words, but the increase in participation previous and this week is temporary and next week, its gonna plummet even harder.
And “20 people”? There are hundreds of different folks who commented their displeasure here in the wow forums, and the data i mentioned supports the fact most people just don’t enjoy this season like they did with DF ones.
Moreover, even the top raiders in the world, Liquid, agreed this season is badly designed. Even the guys that live for the challenge and world first think this season is badly designed, let that sink in.
I agree with you and my experience has been the same so I gave you a like. The one thing I don’t agree with is changing challengers peril. Looking threw my timed 10s some have upwards of 17 deaths. I think this is more a perception over reality thing with the player base and I have seen so many posts claiming 1 death bricks the key when that’s so far from true.
