Tanks… I know your job is difficult, I do. Please just consider that your standard way of running a dungeon doesn’t necessarily align with everyone else’s. It’s so helpful if you just give a tiny bit of direction here and there i.e.:
-First pull is 3 packs and lust
-Going all the way to first spider
-etc.
“You should just know the pulls” is a borderline toxic comment, especially after a wipe.
Also please don’t fly ahead of your healer unless you know for sure you can survive on your own for a few seconds. Some classes don’t have a plethora of immediate single target full heals, so it can take a few GCDs to get things rolling.
You might be 3k, but I’m closer to 2.6k… that doesn’t mean I can’t heal an 11, but that might mean I can’t heal an 11 at your preferred pace, and that’s ok.
Update for clairty: Mainly just before the key starts, especially regarding the first pull and possibly when to lust
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LOL, that first pull in Ara-Kara can be brutal, especially in pugs. I’ve seen a few keys instantly go dead after that pull.
I agree that tanks should communicate the general plan with the group before the key starts, especially if you are running +10 and higher keys.
That being said, communication goes both ways. You can also:
- Ask for route.
- Ask when tank wants lust.
- Ask if he is doing anything special
And so on.
Good luck and I hope it works out better next time.
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Just ask for the route to be linked via MDT.
As for when lust happens that’s the dps’ job.
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Well I mean… sometimes I’m the only lust in the group. But yeah often I ask for the route, I should make a macro that just reads - Anything I should know about initial pull(s) or lust preferences? - that would probably go a long way.
holy cow thank you
It drives me nuts when people ask me when I want lust. it’s not my CD lol
to the OP - no, I’m not going to stop mid-key to type instructions. the expectation that a tank do that is frankly absurd. If you want to know the route ask before hand if the tank hasn’t already linked one.
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I think I’ve been pretty clear in explaining that I’m talking about before the run starts.
Also - that’s fine if it’s my choice when to use lust but doesn’t that mean the tank can’t then chew me out for not lusting when they were expecting it?
“better communication before the run starts” is something I can get on board with, from all parties.
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The pulls they’re going to do for the whole run, before it starts?
Cause that is what I’m getting from the original post. But I will say I’m a big advocate for communication.
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I’ll politely disagree, the tanks plan for pulls should greatly influence when lust should be used.
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No… most the time the breakdown is in the first pull because that’s where the pulls are nuts.
Edit… I updated my OP for clarity
Yeah I think especially for key progression/pushing your amended post makes sense.
For like lower stuff I just send it.
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I think it’s fair for the DPS to ask the tank when they want lust.
I’m not saying DPSes should be clueless about lust timings. But, some tanks might want to do big pulls based on the lust timer. So, if the DPS just lusts when he feels like it, it can potentially mess up the pulls, especially in a high key.
As a tank, I totally agree with you, I always link my route before the run starts and let them know where to use lust.
And as a DPS I also would love to know how’s the route gonna be.
Some basic communication is great for eveyone
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I think the general consensus, also, is that keys that high are being done on discord with comms. There is just so many 1-shot mechanics at that level.
Lol… good luck with this with 99% of pugs. You don’t need to go to the first spider on the first pull for keys under +13.
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If I’ve got more than one pug, I stop at the end of the stairs and kill. then go to spider. 2 pulls.
full guild group in comms that can handle it, to the spider!
but I also lean towards conservative pulls 
probably my biggest m+ fault of which I likely have many.
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there should be an addon to help with that.
you’d set up a txt file for each dungeon and then pressing a macro button spews out whatever you have in the txt file for that dungeon.
nice and easy, one button press at every dungeon start and youre good to go.
NO. The other players are NOT expected to ask. If the tank is the “leader,” then it’s his/her job to communicate, and that is the end of the story, period, full stop. It doesn’t go both ways, especially with how toxic the M+ community is. You ask a simple question and get slammed for asking. So no way. You are the tank. Do your job and lead the group, and stop expecting everyone to mind-read your obvious bad overpulls and inconsiderate behavior.
NO. If the tank is the leader, then it is the tanks job to ASK and communicate. Not the other way around. The other four players do not bend the knee to some magical thinking. Do your job as tank and communicate to the group if you are wanting lust at a specific place. Or if you have lust it’s your CD, use it when you think is best.