M+ brings the worst out in people

I still don’t understand why M+ doesn’t work like Delves, you just set the difficulty and go.

Idk why keys still have to be a thing.

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It’s a very weird “competitive” mode where you compete against no one, and everyone is very sweaty.

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To me, M+ is a form of PvP.

You’re just fighting to get into a group, rather than actual combat lol.

Same kinds of ego and whatnot you’d see from arena players.

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IKR. Why can’t they make M+ where you need to have 4 other friends to compete. That would be so much better.

Sorry, not friends specifically, even a recruit into the team. MLG, let’s look at CoD, they don’t just invite randoms, you work as a team and learn together as a team. That’s why PuG’s will never work.

Anyway, I just like my WoW to be less esports focused, that’s all.

Yes, if you make it a ton easier people would complain less.

It would trivialize it.

Not really at all.

You can do m+ with 4 other friends./team/etc.

Its barely esports focused at all.

M+ existing is not esports focused.

I see more toxicity from people insulting everyone that participates in m+ than from actual m+ runs.

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Oh yeah I know. I’m just spit-balling.

It was originally designed for esports. It’s just not popular at all. But I still refer to it as esports even it’s not like that today.

I mean, yeah true.

No it wasnt.

It was designed to be a form of 5 man content, with infinite scaling difficulty allowing people of all experience levels a chance to participate.

Previously dungeons were near useless. Their entire purpose was to be a stepping stone to raiding that you quickly stopped doing and forgot about. This gave 5 man content an end game pillar of its own.

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I remember going to SW bank to be inspected before getting an invite prior to third party methods of vetting people.

I pretty well recall M+ being harder to break into in Legion when bricking your key meant it depleted entirely.

More or less been the most popular content in the game for a few expansions due to an aging gamer base who prefer not to have to play the game on a schedule.

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Legion also had worse unavoidable damage spikes, that would result in one shots. And greatly limited specs advancing based on lack of defensives.

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It was around the time that esports was booming. I will die on this hill. We can agree to disagree.

shrug

You do you, my man.

But I dont see how doing +2s is an esport.

Or finally having 5 man end game content is an esport.

Esports are probably bigger today than they were during Legion.

I have limited experience with it. I think I had my own key bricked once or twice and found getting group invites to be longer than I cared to sit around for, so I just did raiding until BFA when M+ kind of exploded.

Not really something for you guys to argue about anyway, the post was basically blaming M+ for ruining ‘tank n spank’ WoW, and raids are far more advanced than they used to be, so returning to a system of raid logging would still leave the same players who avoid M+ with a content gap.

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These days, it’s not a good esports. But I genuinely think it was designed to try and enter the esports scene. It’s incredibly unpopular expect for twitch streamers or whatever. I think they were pushing for esports and it didn’t really work out.

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Mythic + is fine

Majority of the people who do mythic + are fine

I also fine it hard to believe you just randomly deleted an account and started a new one just too complain about mythic +

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The MDI and Great Push gets decent viewership.

But its entire point was to be a mode of end game content for 5 man groups. That is ultimately why it was designed.

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That’s irrelevant bro. I’ve had multiple accounts. I get bored. I delete accounts and start new ones because I find the fresh feeling of a new account satisfying.

Obviously that’s true. I just don’t agree with it. I think times were better prior to M+.

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They do, it’s called delves which can be done solo or in a group.

You choosing not to engage with certain content isn’t an M+ problem but a player created one.

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