M+ bans waves have begun

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Sarama-firetree

When the vote fails, you’ll obviously realize that you really didn’t want to quit and will soldier on.

Sometimes that happens and sometimes the person that initiates the vote kick does of another members does leave. I have seen it happen so the group moves on.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

But what they can do it empower groups to have some recourse through a group vote for a disband.

Thats not a resource when i dont need permission to drop group

[Breadisfunny-turalyon (Breadisfunny)]

theres a thread on it.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

Which is kind of the point.

All Mafic’s vote disband system does, is add a layer of bureaucracy to move the existing “problem” somewhere else without actually solving anything.

[Akston-area-52]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

BlizZard can’t control peer pressure because that is beyond anything any game developer can control. But what they can do it empower groups to have some recourse through a group vote for a disband.

What recourse does the group have through the vote?

Does the vote stop me from leaving anyways?

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Grizzle-eredar

Thats not a resource when i dont need permission to drop group

For PVP the only loss if AFK debuff. For PVE the cost is much higher than that. If a single person wants to leave that is their choice but penalizing an entire group that wishes to disband is something else entirely and do not have recourse.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

If a single person wants to leave that is their choice but penalizing an entire group that wishes to disband is something else entirely and do not have recourse.

This is simply word salad and has nothing of substance to it…

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Which is kind of the point.

All Mafic’s vote disband system does, is add a layer of bureaucracy to move the existing “problem” somewhere else without actually solving anything.

It solves a lot of issues as it empowers groups of players. Why wouldn’t you want to give groups of players a choice in a MMORPG?

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

It solves a lot of issues as it empowers groups of players

It doesnt empower anyone

[Sarama-firetree]

They already have the choice of dropping. No vote needed.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

It solves a lot of issues as it empowers groups of players.

How?

What’s the difference between a vote passing, and someone just leaving?

[Akston-area-52]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

It solves a lot of issues as it empowers groups of players. Why wouldn’t you want to give groups of players a choice in a MMORPG?

But players already have the choice to leave.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Why wouldn’t you want to give groups of players a choice

A choice without meaning is no choice at all.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Grizzle-eredar

This is simply word salad and has nothing of substance to it…

No because for whatever reason you are against empowering a group and want to retain the power as an individual. That is understandable but that is also not very forward thinking about other players.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

because for whatever reason you are against empowering a group

We’re still trying to figure out exactly how your idea would do that.

Which your lack of explanations or giving concrete answers to questions is making very difficult.

[Akston-area-52]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

No because for whatever reason you are against empowering a group and want to retain the power as an individual. That is understandable but that is also not very forward thinking about other players.

So are you saying if a group disband vote fails…people are not legally allowed to leave the group?

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Sarama-firetree

They already have the choice of dropping. No vote needed.

If you do it enough times apparently BlizZard deems it toxic. So at this point a group disband is needed more so than anything else really.

[Malkorik-mankrik]

Wasn’t there a guild called “We Brick Your Key”. I mean cmon.

[Akston-area-52]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

If you do it enough times apparently BlizZard deems it toxic. So at this point a group disband is needed more so than anything else really.

Why do you capitalize the Z?

And

@Akston-area-52

So are you saying if a group disband vote fails…people are not legally allowed to leave the group?

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

No because for whatever reason you are against empowering a group and want to retain the power as an individual

Bringing up an option that no one has to adhere to doesnt give anyone empowerment

@Mafic-emerald-dream

So at this point a group disband is needed more so than anything else really.

Its not