Am i in the right position as healer paladin lv20 with full +int cloth gear and holy spec ?
Was in Deadmines with 2H paladin tank who refused to change into 1H + Shield and keep pulling 4 or 5 mobs and almost died each pull even with full max rank holy light on him all the time.
At the boat he pulled 5 elites with parrots and got killed fast in and he blamed healer , his guildmate a mage also blamed me without even considering the tank insistence on 2H weapon use.
And the tank constantly brag about his total DPS throughout the run , threaten to put me in his ignore list (i ignored him and his mage guildmate after that comment)
just how egoistical can a person be , tanking without shield , pulling too many elites , do not care about healer mana every pull ā¦
This player is from a well known raid guild on server , i just wondering if alts of raid players always acted like petulant and pampered baby ā¦
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A shield is only 10-20% physical damage reduction. Itās not a huge deal. It wasnāt the fact that he was wearing a 2H, but rather the fact that he pulled 4 or 5 elites. Even a tank-specced tank in proper gear wouldnāt survive that onslaught at such a low level.
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Some people just have their heads firmly planted you-know-where. Theyāre the hero and everyone else is just in the way. Youāll go mad trying to understand it.
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thats what i also suggest to him , he is too squishy and put on shield if he want to take more mobsā¦
in return he just said āwatch my dps , max heal on meā and go on forward without even looking at my mana level.
his mage guildmate kept blaming me for being slow , but healer do need mana regen especially after massive healing spree at every pullā¦
i dont know , this egoistical āi dont care about the group , watch me dpsā is common but it truly makes me question is it worth healing an irresponsible tank like this.
maybe in the future i will quit the group early if the tank proven to be like this in the first few pulls
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when im healing in dungeons (im lv 30 holy paly now , all point in holy tree) i always prepare myself , from wearing healing gear with +int , buying and stocking level appropriate water , making sure all healing skill on toolbar setup correctly with different rank of holy light on toolbar and blessing ppl in game according to their class.
i dont mind a devil-may-care attitude in tanks but many tanks with that attitude usually supplement their attitude with real skill and knowledge on how to mitigate damage , they know not to rush before healer regain mana etc
it is the people who watched Skarmās tanking video and then become a tank with zero understanding of Skarmās messageā¦
my spec now :
5 Divine Intellect
5 Spiritual Focus
1 Consecration
3 Healing Loght
1 Improved Lay on Hand
5 Illumination
1 Divine Favor
planning to get :
2 Improved LoH
1 Lasting judgement
2 Improved blessing of wisdom
5 holy power
1 Holy shock
the rest of points will be in protection to get BoK
im juggling the need of Holy Shock and BoSanctuaryā¦
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A shield isnāt necessary to tank at that level.
I have, however, been in any number of groups where weāre suddenly facing a huge pull in the Deadmines around the parrot part and wondering where the hell they all came from.
Itās knowing the dungeon thatās the problem here. When I tank a dungeon I donāt know, I make sure that the only complaints are that Iām edging forward too slowly. 
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on the boat theres multiple decks and if theres lv16 or 17 in group they can pull agro from upper deck mobsā¦
not necessarilya wipe but it will strain the group especially if tank weak
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Not you fault.
Kidding. Itās always the healerās fault.
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thanks glinda , i love your avatar
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That is quite a bit, especially on a bad pull. Thats 10-20% more mana usage and 10-20% less time until the healer is OOM
No, if he wants to tank like that, he can get his guild to deal with it. During my leveling adventure I joined many PuG dungeons, quite a few partially cleared and the healer left. Get to the instance, 2H tank. Runs into a pack of 3, one thunderclap just starts smacking one, no threat generation on the others. Barely make it though easy pulls without running out of mana, and I had very large mana pool for my level. Easily 20-30% more than other priests i ran into around my level.
Only worth sticking around if you can get a good amount of quests done for a fast XP burst, or if youāre grinding dungeons at a higher level and its your only option for XP due to corpse camping on PVP realms.
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thanks for sharing your experience , i too been in pug with newbie tanks or tanks that pull conservatively ā¦ these is ok in my viewā¦
but incompetent and arrogant tank who want to top dps meter is the worst experience i encountered so far
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just leave group after he got killed , do not ress and ignore.
those kind of people need lesson in humility
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Donāt leave the group. Donāt heal too much. Donāt say anything. Just let them pay more gold for repair.
And ask for more mage water.
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Iām a paladin tank. The biggest problem for us is the absence of a instant taunt. It takes several seconds to solidify threat. He should be doing everything possible to generate threat and mitigate damage. Even then if any in the party draw aggro, most of the time he will have to stay on the group he has in front of him. Tanks are hard to find. I think the paladin in your case was a retribution pally that TRIED to tank and failed.
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I donāt really understand why he would tank with a 2h, how hard is it to keep a 1h and shield with you. Unless heās one of those people trying to copy the streamers 2h warrior tanking.
Also pretty humorous heās bragging about dps, in all the DM runs Iāve had I was top dps too, and I believe consecration was the bulk of the damage output so itās not like itās his 2h doing it.
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I was Just on my 38 warrior, joined a Cath group as DPS but I always carry tanking gear. We had a Druid tank. Several times he dies because of overpulls so I throw on a shield and take over until we can rez.
Finally I have enough. I ask him to let me try. I use a 2H and pull 1 or 2 at a time. Everything goes down quickly and the healer is a lot less stressed. I put on the shield for the boss and the fight was smooth.
2H tanking is fine if you pull small and kill fast. Itās the people who pull 4 or 5 at a time that are the problem. Unless you have an amazing AOE group youāll finish a lot faster with 2H tank and small pulls. The dps can open up faster with less threat issues on a 2H tank.
Also, the 2H was the whirlwind hammer. Iām a human and fury spec (until respec at 40) so it made more sense than the axe.
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it is like a storm of wannabe tanks who watched skarmās youtube video and suddenly think they are hot 2h tankers ā¦
for me , as dps i always control my dps not to pull mob off tanks and when i play tank in 5 man always bring good tanking gear on my bag.
theres nothing more embarassing than getting called to tank in 5 man dungeon and failing hard due to lack of skill and no mitigation gear / abilities , and then proceed to bully and blame the healer to cover up
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Unfortunately the āgo go goā mentality of retail has found itās way to classic and these people are making dungeons significantly harder than they should be.
Earlier today I was healing on my priest and a 2h tanking paladin ran in and pulled a room full of mobs. No consecrate, just single target attacking one mob, so the other 4 he pulled all ran to me when I healed him. I ended up dying without being able to cast a second heal because they broke through my bubble like it was nothing and the spell push back from 4 mobs beating me in the face prevented the heal from finishing so all I could do was get off a quick renew and bubble onto the tank before I died. When I released and started to run back, the tank removed me from the group then started raging at me in whispers about how Iām bad and he watched me ājust stand there not healingā. 
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Similar thing happened to me today with an arms warrior who felt his weapon enchants and full potion buffs would trivialize Wailing Caverns. He claimed he could tank better than the tank and just took over the roll. I warned him I needed some time to recover between pulls because he was taking too much damage. He didnāt listen and eventually I ran out of mana in the middle of a pull. He died and wouldnāt accept the resurrection so we booted him from the group. We finished the instance with a proper tank and only a four member party. What can you do? Some people have to touch the stove before they learn. Inexplicably, some have to touch it over and over and over.
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