Hi
I have better gear than a lot of people i raid with and still, they do more damage than me. Does anyone know what i am doing wrong?
Here is my character = https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/böøtyhuntër
Thank you
I’m not seeing anything particularly glaring from your gear situation. You do only have Breath of the Dying rank 2 but that shouldn’t be a gigantic issue. So it’s probably something to do with how you’re playing the spec. I will say though that Remote Guidance Device isn’t very good for bosses. Your corruption is also low and this is mainly because your low cape level isn’t allowing you to wear many corrupted pieces.
Also, put Gale Force Striking on your bow.
I looked at your logs. I don’t have the time to go through fight-by-fight and look at the exact issues, but one thing I noticed right away from a quick look was here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bY1gFyMjHrw4Bah#fight=26&type=damage-done&source=18
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bY1gFyMjHrw4Bah#fight=26&type=damage-done&source=23
This is from your latest Ra-den kill and I’m comparing your damage to that of Røcket who did 11k DPS more than you. While you’re using Kill Command more there’s a huge disparity between your Barbed Shot and Cobra Shot casts. He has 56 Barbed Shot casts while you only have 39. I’m not sure why his did less damage on average, though. But also note the huge difference in pet damage. That’s probably indicating you have low Frenzy uptime and therefore you’re not using Barbed Shot enough. Add to this your Stomp damage also being a lot lower. For Cobra Shot he had 86 casts while you only had 69.
There’s also more clues over in the Buffs tab.
He used Aspect of the Wild 3 times, including on the opener. You only used it twice and you didn’t use it on the opener. He also got luckier with Vision of Perfection procs (were you using Vision of Perfection on this pull?). He also used Bestial Wrath 10 times while you used it 8 times.
He had 75% uptime of Dance of Death; you were at 60%. Once again this hints that you’re not using Barbed Shot enough or using it incorrectly when you do. The ultimate priority of Barbed Shot is to maintain Dance of Death (and fish for it when you don’t have it) while also not wasting charges or losing 3 stacks of Frenzy unnecessarily.
It also looks to me like he used potions on that fight while you didn’t.
It looks like this log was also from when you were using Gushing Wounds instead of Twisted Appendage. He got particularly lucky with his Twisted Appendage procs on this pull.
Thank you for your response!
What is the correct way to use barbed shot?
Is there an addon to help know when to use barbed shot?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bY1gFyMjHrw4Bah#fight=4&type=auras&source=8
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6bY1gFyMjHrw4Bah#fight=4&type=auras&source=23
Just had a look at Maut and it’s a similar picture. The other Hunter wasn’t as far ahead of you as he didn’t have any Twisted Appendage damage (maybe he didn’t have the piece at that time?). But what I’m noticing:
- You’re slightly ahead on Kill Command but a bit behind on Cobra Shot and quite a lot behind on Barbed Shot
- You only used AotW once and it wasn’t on the opener. You’re one-fewer on Bestial Wrath as well, presumably due to less Barbed Shot casts
- You didn’t use a potion
- Your Dance of Death uptime is really low (45%)
- He used Gale Force Striking while you used Crow’s Nest Scope. Gale Force is better because it means more auto shots and therefore more chances to proc Wild Call.
I also happened to notice a big mistake the other Hunter made: he used an entire AotW without having Bestial Wrath. That should never happen. Always line them up as much as possible without losing out on casts of either during the fight. He also used his Razor Coral outside of an AotW phase.
Your worst parses are on Hivemind, Vexiona, Il’gynoth and N’zoth but those fights are a bit gimmicky. Hivemind and Vexiona being that bad indicates you’re strugglging in AoE situations. Il’gynoth and N’zoth are fights with a bit of downtime and therefore more intricate cooldown management.
Barbed Shot has quite a bit to keep track of:
- It’s a source of focus
- It gives your pet Frenzy
- It gives you a chance at a Dance of Death buff based on your crit percentage
- It takes 12 seconds off Bestial Wrath
- It has 2 charges and a chance to reset a charge based on your Auto Shot crits
So first thing’s first is to notice the crit interaction: the reset chance is crit based as is the Dance of Death chance. This is the reason Crit has such a high value for BM. Your lower Barbed Shot usage might be related to your crit percentage. I haven’t looked at the other Hunter’s crit but yours is 33% according to your armory which isn’t terrible but also isn’t great.
At this stage of the expansion the most important thing is the Dance of Death uptime. It’s a huge amount of agility and it’s what makes the spec as high-damage as it is right now. Frenzy uptime is important but if you have good Dance of Death uptime chances are your Frenzy is also solid. I should mention that Frenzy matters especially in AoE situations because it will affect how much cleaving your pet is doing by a lot.
The best thing to do is use Azortharion’s Barbed Shot helper weakaura.
https://wago.io/Vy_cmLXaz
It will basically tell you when to use it and it takes Dance of Death and Bestial Wrath into account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzg99P4-dfc
Here’s a boss from my point of view. That bouncing Barbed Shot icon you see in the upper-center of the screen is the Barbed Shot weakaura I linked.
Of course, Barbed Shot also gives you a CDR (cooldown reduction) on Bestial Wrath so you don’t want to be using Barbed Shot when Bestial Wrath is off cooldown or is very close to being off cooldown (<4 secs). Of course you do want to have Frenzy and Dance of Death when going into Bestial Wrath. When these two goals conflict, buff uptime wins out.
When you get high crit and haste Barbed Shot will have a very high proc rate so this micromanaging of buff uptimes will be a lot easier. At that point it’s also good to keep in mind that Barbed Shot has a chance of getting a charge reset so you want to avoid spending a lot of time with 1 ready charge of BS with the second charge coming up (basically if you get the reset with 0 charges you’re getting a full Barbed Shot CD for free, but if you already have a charge then at least some of the cooldown reset will be wasted). Of course you don’t want to be spending any time with Barbed Shot at 2 charges.
All this is on our Icy Veins guide, by the way. Make sure to give it a thorough read.
Hey i just did maul using the addon and maximizing barbed shot and did the same dps as the log i had from before. It was mythic, i don’t know if that matters. I did 55k dps, does that sound about right?
I mean you’re not that far off of the hunter hunter that Bepples linked, and they do seem to have better gear than you overall. Your second trinket is kinda bad though and you should really replace it ASAP. Dead-Eye Spyglass from Siege of Boralus would be a substantial upgrade.
Also, you are now running Vision as your major essence but you only have 2 Primal Instincts traits. You should sim your toon to make sure that Vision makes the most sense as your major.
Finally, you have quite a few pieces of gear with sub-par secondary stats on them. You should be aiming for crit and haste on as much as possible, so swapping out some pieces for ones with better stats could make a difference as well.
Sorry for the late reply. I didn’t do too much of an in depth look at the logs there, but 2 notes:
- Doing the same DPS is probably to be expected given the fight was twice as long
- Your casts on all abilities (Barbed Shot, Kill Command, Cobra Shot) are a lot lower than that of the other Hunter. Could be due to worse stats, but I can’t tell.
- You have a couple casts of Multi-Shot. This is pretty minor though.