The gearing system for lower levels is amazingly balanced as the numbers show.
Overtuned items, gems, specs are a separate argument, which Blizzard needs to address. And yet all of the above are easy to obtain by any active player.
That's basically the entire argument though. The current balance has people with said overtuned items, gems, etc stomping heirloom players and absolutely destroying non-heirloom levelers. Sure they may be relatively easy to obtain, but as I've said in other posts, by the time any normal player gets enough of the items to be competitive they will have outleveled the bracket.
I have no idea how you can argue this is fair and balanced: https://i.imgur.com/IAuuBKQ.png
That game was particularly interesting because we almost won through excellent coordination but we just didn't have the firepower to stop them from taking points.
Also my character is the one highlighted on there if you want to stalk me; I ain't hiding behind no level 1 alt
Fact: Gearing is indeed at its most balanced mathematically for lower levels.
I would say you are wrong, but then you'd just argue semantics and we wouldn't get anywhere.
The cold hard truth is legion had the fairest gear system implemented. Everyone was on a level playing field. Call it boring, call it anti-rpg, call it whatever you want. Legion was by far the most fair.
Armory trolling an abandoned alt from WoD doesn't discredit what I say.
Legion was by far the most fair.
Here is Legion low level PVP in a nutshell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGxd6X8XLOQ
Here is a tip from the comments,
You got to get gear thats high in ilvl. Putting on "The Rock" in both ring slots helps out a ton and so does putting on a certain necklace. It's all about high ilvlï»ż
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Legion was by far the most fair.
Here is Legion low level PVP in a nutshell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGxd6X8XLOQ
Here is a tip from the comments,
You got to get gear thats high in ilvl. Putting on "The Rock" in both ring slots helps out a ton and so does putting on a certain necklace. It's all about high ilvlï»ż
I
knew it would be a Survival Hunter. They were the only class that stood out in Legion because the scaling on Flanking Strike was broken. It had nothing to do with high ilvl white items.
i would like to add that Myninja:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/llane/Myninjae.g has plenty unobtainable items, he surely have lock exp, levelers often use heirlooms(to maximize xp gain) and the other parts like shoes, hands, belts... at the very best are from any quest/instance 5 levels less...
if i as leveler go and try to get some gear to face twinks, while doing quest, killing rares or farming dungeons i will over-level my bracket and then i will have to repeat the farming cuz i now have to face 40-49 twinks, so no time to pvp
i wouldn't lock my exp bar cuz that's a thing a leveler never do
1 or 2 points less or more in the gear do a big difference in low level toons, is like being 119 and you feel good killing mobs but after you hit 120 you barely can kill 1 mob and you notice stats and power are not in a linear function
you guys are ruining the experience of game of most players, players who, while level, try to learn their classes, is like if in rated pvp a 1400 group match a 2800, you guys are in other level
i would like to add that Myninja:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/llane/Myninja
e.g has plenty unobtainable items, he surely have lock exp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4fKfz5rcx8
Double post, but Hairy, you have to understand, GF 10/10 Titanforge yes, but none of it is used today or matters. BoE greens, AB gear, and dungeons drops (trinkets) are BiS (as well as a quest mace that takes ~10 minutes to go get). I put this gear on display because I can, no other reason.
I feel like the solution to make everyone happy, to give levelers their mostly level playing field, and twinks their gameplay, would be to separate the XP Off people into a different queue like it was at one point
10/22/2018 07:47 PMPosted by
Rolder
I feel like the solution to make everyone happy, to give levelers their mostly level playing field, and twinks their gameplay, would be to separate the XP Off people into a different queue like it was at one point
What gameplay when there are no games? Not everyone plays or likes 19s and some populations cannot support themselves and the brackets died. This is what I was saying in the other thread. At the end of the day, whatever the solution is, I hope that everyone gets games.
Forcing one group or another into endless queues where there are no pops is not what anyone wants. Would you agree or disagree?
as a 111 feral druid I faced a 60k hp warrior. I have 30khp. I armory searched him hes 110. Lets just say TWINKS are insane and need to go. Bring templates back so that the skillfull may win with skillful and the lifeless may lose while in purples
Every time i smite those levelers down in a bg..... i cackle with laughter and hope.. i say i hope its one of you guys that come to the forums to complain about losing.
Really bgs should be for people who want to pvp. Doing BG xp to max level really shouldnt be a path and the xp should be less than what you get questing / dungeons, thats what caused all the bots and cry babies in the first place. Having twinks in bgs is completely how this mmorpg should be. Remember while you may think we do this cause rofl stomping levelers are people who havnt a clue. I've been a 39 warrior since vanilla, way before xp was added to bgs, When this all started it was just a place to pvp. XP in bgs ruined bgs and dumbed down the pvp community.
o o , and for you newbs who think twinks are some low life loser etc. You will most likely never be as good as i have been in my life at games. I really do mean that, I've made world firsts in so many games so many times i've forgotten half of the !@#$ i've accomplished. Im just not into the carrot on a stick approach so i have great twinks that only need minor updates to be viable in pvp instead of spending another 3 months gear grinding again, to then do it again and oh lets do it again... damn newbs....
as a 111 feral druid I faced a 60k hp warrior. I have 30khp. I armory searched him hes 110. Lets just say TWINKS are insane and need to go. Bring templates back so that the skillfull may win with skillful and the lifeless may lose while in purples
your dumb 111 get a different bracket. 110s are alone
10/22/2018 07:21 PMPosted by
Diago
10/18/2018 12:13 AMPosted by
Diago
New player base would get destroyed regardless if theres twinks or not, stop trying to cater to them.
Seriously, stop.
Player retention is kind of important, otherwise PvP is going to become even more insular than it already is. There's a middle ground, where you can work for more power but also where you aren't getting one shot for daring to try out something the hints suggested you try.
Well to be fair, you could get crazy kills/damage before templates without twinking
https://i.imgur.com/Y7ZO68U.png
https://i.imgur.com/nyKMBZI.png
Just playing the right class at the right time.
An actual twink was more like this;
https://i.imgur.com/XOV9VeC.png
Twinks have increased in BfA cause BfA is garbage. I don't even bother with BGs which is my normal end game for many xpacs, cause I ain't doing PvE content in order to gear effectively. So I will play in lower brackets where I can gear up and be done with that and then play BGs.
The issue lies clearly with the current Game Director's flawed vision.
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10/23/2018 04:32 AMPosted by
Chisle
Twinks have increased in BfA cause BfA is garbage. I don't even bother with BGs which is my normal end game for many xpacs, cause I ain't doing PvE content in order to gear effectively. So I will play in lower brackets where I can gear up and be done with that and then play BGs.
The issue lies clearly with the current Game Director's flawed vision.
Pretty much. I still don't have a single lvl 120 on either of my BFA accounts.
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10/23/2018 04:32 AMPosted by
Chisle
Twinks have increased in BfA cause BfA is garbage. I don't even bother with BGs which is my normal end game for many xpacs, cause I ain't doing PvE content in order to gear effectively. So I will play in lower brackets where I can gear up and be done with that and then play BGs.
The issue lies clearly with the current Game Director's flawed vision.
I watched some of the Arena Championship games and it's just awful that it was all about raid leveling gearing and tank trinket shield procs. Somehow they managed to make it look worse than Legion PvP.
Reminds me of the one time way, way back when I saw a fury warrior in full T3 just mowing people down in an AV.
Guess we've come full circle that PvE really helps out in PvP
Did I kill you or sumân?
Honestly twinking isnât the real problem, itâs class imbalance. Warriors are stupid op at lower levels and max gearing just makes them that much worse. One geared warrior in 29 bracket and itâs gg but hey, if you canât beatâem joinâem so Iâll be leveling a warrior to join in the fun